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[–] RedLeader 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

It's doublethink. They shame you to believe these two ideas at the same time.

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[–] escapetomars 8 points 67 points (+75|-8) ago 

They are actually "culturally biased" to give smarter people an advantage. Which is the point of the test. Basically, certain groups just don't like the results, and will come up with any stupid excuse for why the result is "unfair".

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[–] gota_party 6 points 52 points (+58|-6) ago 

There is a correlation between race and IQ, there is a correlation between IQ and income, there is a correlation between race and income. And all 3 correlations match. IQ has predictive and explanatory power so there is no reason to disregard it. Basically, it's science.

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[–] DoomMantia 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

Then why do so many people on Voat complain about the Jews controlling everything? If they have higher IQ and IQ is correlated with income/success, then it's perfectly logical that they are the ones who are the most successful.

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[–] epsilona01 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

And besides the idea that further challenge in Europe forced selection heavily weighed on intelligence.. there's also some potential factor from the slave trade, which controlled breeding selection with a preference for high physical and low mental attributes.

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[–] 353245gv234534 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

there is a correlation between IQ and networks

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[–] DiscontentedMajority 1 points 48 points (+49|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Pretty much this. Had a similar thing happen at an old job. They had a policy that you had to take a "what would you do in this situation" test to become a manager. It was basically just to make sure you weren't a psychopath.

This one Mexican dude is looking to fill an open managment position. He takes the test and fails it. He then complains that english isn't his first language (speaks it perfectly well) so he would like to take the test in spanish. The company has the test translated and lets him retake it. He still fails.

He then comes back to the company and says that the situations in the test are skewed because of some kind of anti-mexican cultural bias in them and they are discriminating against him. The company (really wanting more diversity in management) has the entire test rewritten specifically by experts in mexican cultural norms and psychology, and written natively in spanish. That motherfucker still failed that shit.

People just want to blame everything wrong in their life on an outside force rather than being a dumbass.

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[–] jeegte12 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago  (edited ago)

if a person is failing a test for cultural reasons, that's the exact same thing as failing for lack of knowledge. learn the language, learn the information, learn the culture.

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[–] kittysaysmeownow 3 points 49 points (+52|-3) ago 

Because they're not. They're 'biased' towards intelligent people though, lol.

The tests they use with uneducated cultures are usually pictographic pattern recognitions, they're not word problems and spelling tests. You could have never learned to read or do arithmetic in your life and you'd still have an equal chance against someone who had. They're more like puzzles. Results usually show they're just honestly stupid. But, you know, that's not the PC answer. So instead let's just say the test is racist.

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[–] Wuttier 4 points 4 points (+8|-4) ago  (edited ago)

I'm reasonably smart, but I hate those god-awful pictographic pictures. I get that the point of it is to test how fast and accurately you are with pattern recognition, in order to predict the next outcome, yet this shouldn't be the only way to distinguish between smart and dumb.

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[–] crazy_eyes 3 points 35 points (+38|-3) ago 

you hate them cause you get them wrong

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[–] Rakosman 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

There's a lot more to it than for an official one. Even within the questions, there are a large variety of problems and you're evaluated on a number of different things including time it takes.

Just remember, though, that intelligence is a very different thing than wisdom. You can be smart and dumb at the same time.

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[–] moremetalguitar 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Yeah, certain types of IQ tests suck. I hate the ones with the tiny little pattern recognition pictures too. Much rather do verbal or math questions.

But it's a intelligence test, not a fun test. If you get them right, you're still smart even if you hated every second of it.

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[–] FormerlyKnownAsGkar 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Having benefited from an insanely high IQ score, I'll be the first to tell you IQ is pretty much about pattern recognition. This is fine with me, since it's where I excel. But "pattern recognition" isn't the only thing that's "intelligence" - artistic ability, mathematical ability, spatial ability (okay, I'm not bad here) - lots of other stuff.

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[–] GoatSLAVE 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I was going to make a point of uneducated people being unable to grasp the concepts due to their lack of education, but I had no idea the tests worked like this, thank you for sharing

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[–] SquarebobSpongebutt 1 points 30 points (+31|-1) ago 

Asians and Jews are white people. They have to be since they do as well or better than white people on everything and the only way that can happen is if you are white. You racist.

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[–] FormerlyKnownAsGkar 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

When did "jewish" become "not white"?

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[–] By_The_Water 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

There are white Jews, Arab Jews, Ethiopian Jews, etc. ect. I think the only Jews people solely focus on is the Ashkenazi type, though. I don't think when people rant "Jews run the world", they are talking about the Ethiopian ones. Not even Israel wants them.

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[–] pr0nw4r 4 points 19 points (+23|-4) ago  (edited ago)

The ravens progressive matrices tests were made to be universally applicable. No culture, only patterns. Made by nearly african standards, and yet the whites still of course outscored the niggers.

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[–] 5241524? 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

There is no doubt that culture and educational level can impact your IQ score, even just having briefly glanced over the content of such IQ tests 6 months in advance alone can give you a 5 point higher score.

Sadly the research on these topics are also highly biased and it's hard to find anyone trying to break this, the most interesting article on the topic of investigating IQ differences between races are by Helmuth Nyborg

Anyway saying that IQ tests favour whites is complete bullshit as OP points out. They may favour people with education but that has nothing to do with the colour of your skin.

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[–] jackofdiamonds 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

I think a lot of people in this thread are misunderstanding your question. Either that or Voat has seen a sudden influx of SJWs.

As you point out, the "cultural advantages" conferred to whites in IQ tests are minimal, and presumably eradicated when the questions are written and administered by people of other backgrounds. The numbers shift slightly, but the trend is basically the same. No matter whether the test authors are white, black, Asian, Jewish, or Hispanic, Asians always perform the best, followed by Jews (as a subgroup), the rest of whites, then Hispanics and blacks.

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[–] Chiefpacman 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago 

Are they actually measuring the hispanics?

Usually they just throw their shit averages on to the white stats.

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[–] Porphyrogennetos 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"Non-hispanic white"

This particular statistic isn't always used or displayed however.

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[–] Troll 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Because their kids get smacked around when they come home with an A- and our kids get an icecream for a C.

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