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[–] bolkasmole 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

The rise of Islam could prove to be a real problem in the future. The majority of Muslims have beliefs that westerners consider to be either fundamentalist or extreme. Religion is fine as a method of finding personal meaning but when forced as law (as in Sharia Law) is regressive.

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[–] frankenham 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Considering the west considers their own citizens who question the government as potential terrorists kinda makes a point in on itself though I think.

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[–] Maxcactus [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

If you are considered to deserve being considered a terrorist then there is probably a little more that questioning of government going on. The threshold for that is higher than you think. Perhaps I do not understand how you use the word question.

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[–] RedditIsPropaganda23 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

that would be fucking scary.

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[–] raod-3 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Atheism isn't down. It just wasn't a properly categorized belief system to begin with. That's like saying lying is down because people lost their motive to lie. One group didn't disappear. The entire group just changed its dynamics.

On the other hand Islam rising is just a sign of the times. When people are unhappy with cowards, they will turn to men of conviction, even dangerous men. Most people love Donald Trump, not because of what he stands for, but because of what THEY stand for. The PEOPLE stand for free expression i.e., free speech and the conviction to stand behind it. People are looking for men to be accountable to their word. Since Donald aligns with that all-important view and no other politician has dared to put their views on the line, the people naturally stand behind Donald.

I don't think Trump supporters are stupid enough to buy that thousands of Muslims were celebrating on rooftops during 9/11. But they absolutely won't stand behind a coward like Hillary who will only say what she thinks the people want to hear. People will stand behind Trump for the same reason disgruntled kids cheer for school shooters. It's not that they support murder of their fellow man. But they do support conviction and integrity. At least the school shooters stood behind their views. What has the waffling school administration ever done for anybody? They are a politically correct fraudulent juggernaut ruling society that everyone with a brain is disgusted by. Just because people appreciate education doesn't mean they're gonna sign a blank check to support the cowards administering that education.

Islam doesn't make sense but at least they stand behind their nonsense. Cowardly "atheists" love to pretend that they don't even hold a position. The claim that their entire purpose in life is predicated upon disbelief which is the epitome of cowardice because in reality it's a lie to say you don't believe in something. It's hypocrisy to fight AGAINST a belief without revealing your OWN STANDARD for that disagreement--in other words, your own belief. It's not that atheists don't hold religious views. They are VERY superstitious. But they are embarrassed to declare their views to the world. The religious tolerate embarrassment while atheists run from it.

We all believe in something. Just because we only choose to list the things we negate doesn't mean we're void of things we advocate and champion. Atheists just happen to be very dishonest and cowardly when it comes to standing behind their real beliefs because many of them are just as superstitious, close-minded, and absurd as any religious fanatic. They just don't want to be held accountable to them.

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[–] RedditIsPropaganda23 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Islam doesn't make sense but at least they stand behind their nonsense.

It's not nonsense, it's violent terrorism and murder.

Atheists just happen to be very dishonest and cowardly when it comes to standing behind their real beliefs because many of them are just as superstitious, close-minded, and absurd as any religious fanatic.

wat

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[–] vertx 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You're onto something here.

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[–] Zardoz 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

So here is the key:

If Islam's growth spurt continues, Pew data shows, Muslims could outnumber Christians soon after the year 2070.

This is something like the global warming data-gaming games with 'rates' or as some parents point out "If my 12 year old's growth spurt continues he will be 21ft tall by the time he is 35 years old!"

The Arab-Muslim (and Persian-Muslim) world had a Baby Boom not long after Westernizing and modernizing into more 1st world conditions and that rate will probably do what its already started to do which is slow down. Which is what happens for some reason - once some relative affluence and modern convenience 1st world action ramps up people have less and less children.

For reasons I can't quite understand almost none of these 'Muslim Rates' things ever take into consideration the rate of deaths though? I hear things like 150,000 Syrians (mostly younger men) have already died in conflicts. ISIS having huge death rates and often of young men who haven't reproduced yet.

So if we do that then we can just as easily come up with a 'Rate' that 'should it continue' will mean Islam vanishes by 2070.

Some other problems with these 'Islam Rates': - I notice they often COUNT the migrants into Europe etc. So they will say something like "The Muslim population in Leeds has grown by 500%" - YET - they don't discount the ones leaving in the Arab Muslim world. They never explain or 'deduct' 20,000 Muslims just LEFT Syria, ISIS etc. - My other problem is that they don't seem to account for the conversion rates of Muslims who emmigrate to Western countries. I understand a lot of this is secretive because (example) Muslims in London have threatened the Islamic death penalty to Muslims that converted to Christianity (and so they are almost like 'secret converts' for their own safety), however, I have read stats that 50% or even more Muslims will either convert to Christianity or some other religion and/or become 'Atheist' within 2 generations in a Western country.

Well 'at that rate' ... you see the idea. 'At that rate' can almost mean anything or nothing or easily be worked to go the opposite way.

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[–] Maxcactus [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

You would probably enjoy the book Superforcasting by Philip Tetlock.

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[–] Zardoz 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

sounds interesting - I will definitely look for that!

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[–] Germanic_Confederate 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This is what happens when a society sheds it's traditional religious norms.

Coupled with low Western birthrates, high immigration, and high Arab/'migrant' birthrates - well there's a problem there

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[–] ragusp 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Atheism isn't down. It just wasn't a properly categorized belief system to begin with. That's like saying lying is down because people lost their motive to lie. One group didn't disappear. The entire group just changed its dynamics.

On the other hand Islam rising is just a sign of the times. When people are unhappy with cowards, they will turn to men of conviction, even dangerous men. Most people love Donald Trump, not because of what he stands for, but because of what THEY stand for. The PEOPLE stand for free expression i.e., free speech and the conviction to stand behind it. People are looking for men to be accountable to their word. Since Donald aligns with that all-important view and no other politician has dared to put their views on the line, the people naturally stand behind Donald.

I don't think Trump supporters are stupid enough to buy that thousands of Muslims were celebrating on rooftops during 9/11. But they absolutely won't stand behind a coward like Hillary who will only say what she thinks the people want to hear. People will stand behind Trump for the same reason disgruntled kids cheer for school shooters. It's not that they support murder of their fellow man. But they do support conviction and integrity. At least the school shooters stood behind their views. What has the waffling school administration ever done for anybody? They are a politically correct fraudulent juggernaut ruling society that everyone with a brain is disgusted by. Just because people appreciate education doesn't mean they're gonna sign a blank check to support the cowards administering that education.

Islam doesn't make sense but at least they stand behind their nonsense. Cowardly "atheists" love to pretend that they don't even hold a position. The claim that their entire purpose in life is predicated upon disbelief which is the epitome of cowardice because in reality it's a lie to say you don't believe in something. It's hypocrisy to fight AGAINST a belief without revealing your OWN STANDARD for that disagreement--in other words, your own belief. It's not that atheists don't hold religious views. They are VERY superstitious. But they are embarrassed to declare their views to the world. The religious tolerate embarrassment while atheists run from it.

We all believe in something. Just because we only choose to list the things we negate doesn't mean we're void of things we advocate and champion. Atheists just happen to be very dishonest and cowardly when it comes to standing behind their real beliefs because many of them are just as superstitious, close-minded, and absurd as any religious fanatic. They just don't want to be held accountable to them.

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[–] Maxcactus [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yes there are several things like that coming to a head that will make many things like this pale in insignificance. Mother Nature has a way of always playing the highest card.

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[–] Feldheld 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Do-gooders breed parasites. The end.

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[–] Maxcactus [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Would you say that there are people who did not benefit from the generosity of other people at times in their lives? I acknowledge that there are some people who never rise above being takers. But all of us have been helped by do gooders and enabled us to succeed and become contributors.

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[–] InformedChoice 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I don't think Hillary is a coward, far from it, I thought that the rest of the statement might make sense. This followed ... "It's not that atheists don't hold religious views. They are VERY superstitious." As soon as you start making sweeping statements about large groups of people without proof you have lost the argument. On what basis is that statement predicated? Very odd indeed. If you superstitious you are by definition technically not an atheist if you attribute that superstitious impact to a deity. You could perhaps state as Hitchens' did that our frontal lobes are too small and have a tendency to drift into uncertain reverie, but that does override ones rationality. Perhaps you talk of a certain internal struggle between indoctrination in the sense that religion poisons our very core, and the freedom of atheistic realisation. Either way the arguments posited had no proof or reasonable justification on any other than the most assumptive level. Islam is in fact growing due mainly to developing countries having low education levels, early proscriptive marriages and high birth rates. In more developed countries the birth rate tends to even out to one similar to indigenous populations, although remaining 0.4 children per family higher at present in the UK for example. In terms of conversion, it think people are generally becoming Islamic due to a policy of indoctrination and a vibrancy and clarity of vision, perhaps to some extent being an intellectual antidote to poor governance. This doesn't make it right. I might agree that a backlash against poor behaviour is occurring, but think that would probably be cured by better educational practices. As for belief and blazing an untrodden path, the religion is expanding using the same model as the Catholic faith did. I think the likelihood of openness in expressing ones beliefs is proportional to the reaction of those around them. Very few gay Muslims are out, and I think atheists are less so cowardly, and more reticent about being open about their beliefs in societies which are not open to such points of view. It strikes me as most odd to describe atheists as cowards when most of the world believes in a god.

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