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[–] TrivialGravitas 1 points 19 points (+20|-1) ago 

  1. I support THIS post because without public appeal of mod decisions mods can basically rewrite the rules at will.

2., I don't really think shitty television depictions of a hacker qualifies as relevant to this sub.

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[–] pikeymick [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah it was meant to be more about the programming references actually being accurate. Now if the point is that programming in main stream media isn't an acceptable topic that is fine, but this doesn't really fit into the current 3 rules as they are.

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[–] wouldntsavezion 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

He was sharing a NON-shitty depiction.

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[–] Sorahzahd 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

2., I don't really think shitty television depictions of a hacker qualifies as relevant to this sub

Among TV shows that depict such things, it's actually really high up there in terms of accuracy and not having a giant glowing GUI with "HACK BUTTON" on it.

Which, if people here let up harping on the OP for five seconds and actually checked out what he was talking about, would know. Too hard, I guess.

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[–] TigrisMorte 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

I think the mod was correct. While perhaps relevant to tech culture it is not relevant to programming any more than sneakers was.

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[–] Craftkorb [M] 2 points 9 points (+11|-2) ago 

I stand by my decision. A random TV show, as I said in a reply to your comment on it, does not qualify for being programming related. Even a TV show actually teaching programming is questionable, as the audience in here is global and not America-only (Where a America-only TV show would maybe work). You can replace America with anything else, it serves as example of a non-global audience.

As you can clearly see, submissions with YouTube videos or channels teaching programming in one way or the other are not removed and are there to stay.

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[–] pikeymick [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'm not asking you to go back on your decision your honor. No one is questioning your authority. But perhaps we can update the guide lines to include information that allows us to better guide content that won't be removed. This is for the better of everyone. Rather than forcing people to learn by trial and error.

While I find random to be not helpful in describing the nature of the issue with the program, I am without insight into what specifically makes this program random.

I'm also a little confused by your example

Even a TV show actually teaching programming is questionable, as the audience in here is global and not America-only (Where a America-only TV show would maybe work). You can replace America with anything else, it serves as example of a non-global audience.

I don't understand why the country of origin matters for programming related content, programming is a global commonality, and programming themes will be the same regardless, if an Australian programming show accurately depicted/taught programming (and was ground breaking in this effort) should someone not post it because it came from Australia?

As you can clearly see, submissions with YouTube videos or channels teaching programming in one way or the other are not removed and are there to stay.

I'm confused, you prior stated that programs actually teaching coding are questionable, but here you state they are here to stay?

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[–] Craftkorb [M] 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

should someone not post it because it came from Australia?

As long it's directly linked through the submission, it's fine. If only a selected few can access it, it's likely to be removed. That's the point I was trying to make. YouTube (Or any other web service on that matter!) is fine because everyone can watch it from anywhere. If it's region locked, it's again borderline.

If it really is that groundbreaking (Which I'd applaud!), the show is sure to appear on YouTube, and based on that it's educational in terms of programming and not a 'correct' depiction of it, are welcome as submission. Don't read too much into ground-breaking, please. The most important factor is that it's widely accessible to everyone.

It's just not my job to read through Google about TV shows.

Edit: Forgot to mention that yes, input on the rules and such META stuff are of course appreciated.

Edit²: Is this: 4. Submissions are expected to be educational, and not only about programming (E.g. movies, TV) good or crap wording-wise?

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[–] topical_username 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I don't see what's confusing. A TV show designed to be consumed for entertainment is not directly related to programming. How do you think that fits in between an article showing you how to simulate general relativity in Python, and a question about the benefits of this or that IDE? What does Mr. Robot bring to the table? Nothing. Create a sub like /v/tvshowsaboutprogramming or something. Let's not muddy the waters here. Posting scenes from Juassic Park wouldn't count would they? https://youtu.be/J1VE6C0H2bU

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[–] Sorahzahd 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

By your logic, this post should definitely not be here: https://voat.co/v/programming/comments/296497

A "code of conduct" is not "directly applicable to the act of programming" and is MUCH FURTHER removed from that rule than a discussion thread about a TV show featuring black hat programmers.

These rules are crap, and make it trivial for you to remove things arbitrarily, leaving other rule violating posts up.

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[–] pikeymick [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Thank you @Craftkorb for talking through this with me, I really appreciate your effort to make this is a great and transparent community, loving it here more and more!

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[–] Master_Foo 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Popular culture != programming.

Yeah, it has programmers in it, but generally we come here for discussion of programming, not what was on TV last night.

If a post is here on this sub it should have some code, or at least theory.

Your post was a valid discussion... for someplace else. It's kind of like all the conspiracy theorists spamming /v/news. It's like, "Yeah, we fucking know that you believe the Jews did 9/11, but just because some conspiracy blog says so doesn't mean it's news worthy".

So, yeah. I back the mod on this one.

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[–] Augustus_II 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

@Craftkorb, thank you for taking the time to interact with and inform the community on your decision.

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[–] JDWM 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Serious props! This is great to see.