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[–] ForgotMyName 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

The thing about programming is that in a proper shop there's zero room for emotional arguments and ego. Facts rule everything. You think your plan is better? Then you'd better have hard numbers or some seriously solid reasoning to justify using it over someone else's method. I'm not saying women are incapable of this, but they tend to make emotional arguments. Those simply will not fly when you're talking about compiler optimization, database scaling, host replication, etc.

Having said that, I've worked with some great women in the industry and they've understood this. I have a feeling that the same people that are making emotional pleas for "more women in STEM" would not understand this.

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[–] aristotle07 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I agree. In my 20+ years as a developer, I've had the chance to work with many women in the industry.

For the most part I've respected most of them. The one's I tend to respect and they also get the respect of the team are the ones who can figure things out on their own, contribute ideas to the team even though they get shot down; because sometimes they do get great ideas but also know not every idea is a winner, when the team works late; they work late, when the team goes out for team events; they join and become part of the crowd. The one's that don't get any respect are the ones that after contributing one idea and get shot down, escalate saying its because they are a female, even tho they are behind on work, they clock out at 5pm leaving the work to be picked up by another team member, never figure out anything even tho the concept could have been googled, and want guys to do work for them because they are female, yet complain all the time about not getting equal treatment.

The latter seems more over the past 5+ years. I think it has to do with the progressive left movements that are forcing women down development teams throats. Most women today aren't qualified but get hired because they are female. I've actually seen incompetent women programmers get promoted to team lead because they couldn't program but no one wanted to fire them. My recent job, that I recently left, there was a muslim female who was so fucking entitled, and would always say she'd rather be programming and all the devs including female devs would have a joke, where they would say, No they don't want her to program.

She's taken every small low risk project and turned them into $500k-$1000k fiascos when the project estimate was for less than 1 month for 3 people including her. Her 1 month projects are always finished about 9 months later and clients usually refuse to take delivery or would have to be coerced into taking delivery yet she still works there after screwing up 3 projects pretty badly since i've been working with her. There are other female programmers, not much maybe 1 for every 20 male developers. But she's the most hated by all developers male and female alike.

Ironically because of her more people end up in management meetings for insulting her or disrespecting her in some way. Like I was called in because in a meeting I had my laptop open and was working while she was talking. Context of it was she kept picking up her cell phone every 3-5 minutes and would talk for like 10-15 minutes each time. So I got tire of waiting and opened up my laptop and tried to get some work done so she went and told the director how I'm disrespectful to her in meeting and won't pay attention.

Women who can work, does the work, takes pride in their work, ask for help, offers help, gets respect. Women who don't work, always late in finishing work, yet clock out and leave early are never respected. It sounds like a great meritocracy to me. Because the guys are treated in the same way.

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[–] 8525058? ago 

She's taken every small low risk project and turned them into $500k-$1000k fiascos when the project estimate was for less than 1 month for 3 people including her. Her 1 month projects are always finished about 9 months later and clients usually refuse to take delivery or would have to be coerced into taking delivery yet she still works there after screwing up 3 projects pretty badly since i've been working with her.

Sadly enough I also have witnessed this with males. Sometimes you wonder wtf is wrong with the managers for keeping them. The answer is mostly because he is such a social good guy.

Also the victim playing, I have seen many males play the victim card why again their projects refuse to work. They always blame it on something else, like the wrong Windows service pack installed, the wrong version of the OS, the wrong firmware on that notebook, the wrong version of Flash installed. Must be 13.0.1.6532 and you installed 13.0.1.6522..... And fro some strange reason managers keep these idiots destroying every project they get in their hands for years.

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[–] ArnaIek ago 

SJWs in programming:

We should NOT optimize n*n*n*n to (n*n)*(n*n) because it introduces inaccuracies.

BUT IT LOOKS BETTER REEEEEEEEEE

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[–] 8525140? ago 

The thing about programming is that in a proper shop there's zero room for emotional arguments and ego. Facts rule everything.

One would think so but I have met a lot of developers that have an ego the size of a planet. And somehow these people befriends the managers and they stay in the company for many years.

It is amazing how managers gets so easily fooled by these big ego and victim blaming developers. I have always wondered why, but I think these managers lack technical knowledge and don't want to admit that they don't know what you are talking about. So they lock onto the guy that acts the most cool.