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[–] ScreaminMime 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

At this point, I'm for anyone who isn't named Jeb or Hillary.

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[–] TheITGuy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The Media is trying hard to push these two down our throats. They already got the Clinton vs Bush round 2 banners prepared for their shows.

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[–] ScreaminMime 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

People already vote as if they're sports fans and have to support "their side" thick or thin, Bush vs. Clinton is just a contrived "title much".

I won't be surprised if election coverage is pay-per-view.

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[–] penguinman 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Because Bush vs Clinton is a win for Clinton, and the media likes the status quo, and they like Democrats for some reason.

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[–] explorevoat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Trump's old videos make me think he is secretly working for Hillary, he was obviously a Democrat before he ran for office, and has a long history of Hillary donations - at the minimum we know Trump is insincere, but we do not know his motives. He is going to make the GOP look so nuts when he is done that Hillary gets GOP votes and wins. Watch Hillary will go WAY to the center or even center-right after she gets the nomination.

I think it is likely he runs third party in the end and gets his friend Hillary in office.

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[–] cwt 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

74% of Americans do not see Trump as a serious candidate.

If he somehow got the Republican nomination, he'd have zero chance in the general election. Even Sanders would beat him.

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[–] geovoat [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

No. I think you are wrong abojt that one.

He has exactly the kind of middle of the road pro social policy yet strong defense policy that picks up the middle of the road voter who usually stays home and also brings in the die hard liberals and conservatives.

He'll win the general if he can get the republican primary (or go third party which i wouldnt like because that is very hard)

I think he will neat bush like reagan beat bush's dad for the primary in 1980 and for very similiar reasons a straight talker that people like vs a professional politician weak on leadership.

I'd like to see a race between Trump and Sanders in the general. Either way we would be better off than now.

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[–] Cow_Shit 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'm with you on his potential viability. To be honest, I do not like him as a person or candidate, but I have to respect that he isn't afraid to pull the trigger. At least he says something. You wont really get that out of Jeb or Hillary.

That being said, I think he lacks the finesse required for foreign policy. The last thing that we need is is a "high-noon" shootout with Russia/China, etc. For this reason, he terrifies me. And, as petty as it sounds, he doesn't "look" presidential in the least. The fucker has a few bn and can't spring for a better haircut? Or at least a toupee?

Edit: Also, if the man can't control his twitter account, how is he going to manage his administration?

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[–] Vithar42 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

If trump and Sanders don't get their respective party nominations, would be fun if they ran together on the 3rd party ticket.

Though I really don't see trump having much of a chance. You may be right in everything you saying but most people won't believe it. And that will be trumos biggest problem.

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[–] Oxirix 4 points 6 points (+10|-4) ago  (edited ago)

Some of the biggest problems I see in America are only going to be made worst with trump in charge: income inequality, regulatory capture, Washington revolving door, monopolistic behaviors, environmental destruction, endless war, eroding civil liberties, eroding education, money in politics etc.

Bush/Hilary won't be good on any of these issues either, but why turn to trump? I'll be voting for Sanders.

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[–] geovoat [S] 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I dont think you read what i wrote.

He is going to tax millionaires more. Raise wages to ince tivize work again. Not cut social security. And wants universal healthcare. That will DECREASE income inequality.

he also wants to break up the big banks a stop cheap imports from overseas.

He is basically fdr. And just like fdr he is rich so he can say f off to all the lobbists who want him to be their minion.

Frankly trump and sanders are very similiar on domestic issues. Hey i liked sander too before i studied trump ( i still like sanders too) but trump has what sanders has and more.

Maybe we will get really lucky and get to choose between trump amd sanders. Id like that choice.

If we get another eight years of lobbist beholden politicos like bush and clinton we are doomed. Seriously if we get to around 24 trillion in debt we become greece. We are already at what? 20 trillion or something?

We needed someo e who not only knows how to say no to banksters and lobbists and fheap chinese and mexican imports but also knows how to get business in this country going again. Trump os the only one who can do all those things i think.

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[–] unsweetenedsoymilk 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Pre-Reagan Republicanism is great, I definitely wonder if he can capture that spirit back if the media can stop portraying him as a joke. Anyways, another issue with current Republicanism is that it's super hardcore Bible Belt Christian.

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[–] MrEvilPirate 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Right on brother.

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[–] Yazi 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Pretty much that. Also, in regards to wealth inequality... Trump's policies would strengthen the economy. Standard living conditions would rise. If everyone is able to live well, then who cares if some can live more well? It's rational to be angry about bad living conditions, but it is irrational to be angry about wealth inequality.

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[–] Oxirix 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I'll have to wait for him to release details of his economic plans before I can accurately show he's not "the next fdr", but it should already be apparent that he won't be a populist president

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[–] DeathorGlory9 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

It's very refreshing to see a different take on Trump rather than the usual bashing I read.

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[–] Succotash 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I can't understand all the Trump support on this website. I can usually at least try to see the other persons point of view, but Trump support just doesn't make sense. I have to think this is similar to the Trump announcement speech where he paid people to be in his crowd.

The reason I don't think Trump is serious.

  1. There are no campaign offices going up in important primary states or swing states. Until Trump is willing to put money into the man on the ground, he isn't serious.

  2. Trump makes money from his image and media exposure. That doesn't mean he isn't serious, but it does explain his motives and how he can make money off of this.

  3. His campaign is upsetting the GOP status quo. Not a bad thing in general, but not the way to get the nomination for president. The one thing the GOP does well is play politics and if you don't play they punish you. Look what happened to Ron Paul at the last election GOP delegate conference. You have to be part of the club and pay your dues or you will get nothing done. If Trump was running as a Democrat then I would be more worried, but as a Republican there is no chance.

  4. His politics are attention getting in a negative light. It is all about the purpose of his campaign. If it was to win the nomination he wouldn't wreck his chance to get elected. If it is just to get as much media exposure as possible, then his campaign is ideally suited for that.

TL; DR

It is all about the money and power. Trump isn't spending money yet and he doesn't have the leverage in the right social circles. He has already proven that he is a poor mouth piece for someone else and even 8 billion dollars isn't enough to run for president on his own money. Trump isn't serious about the presidency and the people supporting him either don't want to see this or have a reason to not see it.

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[–] geoffp82 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Yeah, this post has an astroturf feel big time. It wouldn't surprise me that Trump is moving to shore up his image on social media.

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[–] doctapeppa 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Serious question. Why is he running as a republican? His stance on these issues is that of a democrat.

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[–] TheITGuy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Maybe a easier field to win.

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[–] Zodi 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

Trump won't even get close to winning.

Trump is good at ruthless business. Good for him. That doesn't work in government.

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[–] unsweetenedsoymilk 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Wow, now I see why the Republicans are accusing him of being a Democrat spy.

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[–] geovoat [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

People who call themselves republicans today couldnt run a business if they were given it . They also know nothing about policy. Neitherr do demoocrats.

If this was the 5o's 60's or 70's (americas most prosperous non debt driven economy) the debate would only be about how much to increase tariifs on china, how much to raise taxes on the 1% ,how much to regulate health insurures and medical provider prices.

Nixon put tariff and wage and price controls in. Eisenhower did. George washington did. It wasnt until reagan that the billionaires used fake thi k tanks to popularize the ideas that if everything was deregulatsd that everything would be better. That has, like it was in the 1920's, been demonstrably proven false.

Trump actually has built a huge business based not on finance and cheating borrowers but by actually building something in the world as well as doing well in several industries loke entertainment. His finacial statements reveal the truth. He has been much more successful than anyone knew. (turns out he doesnt brag enough! Hard to beleive! :) ).

Republicans worship billionaires. Bush is not one. Scott whats his name isnt, none of the minions are. Trump is one 8 times over. He knows what a true republican should beleive and he says tariffs, tough trade negotiation, good wages, universal healthcare, higher taxes on billionaires. These thing s he says which do things to grow a healthy economy. He is the first true republican to come along in decades. All the more recent ones have been billionaire minion spies paid for by billionaires like koch and sheldon adelson.

Trump is the REAL Republican and he has proven himself in the real world. If he says these things are what we need to bring back the economy then republicans better beleive it. They need to realize its the other so called republicans that have been the spies for 30 years.

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