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[–] edistojim 9 points 26 points (+35|-9) ago 

Bernie advised them to join a union, then his bashing stops. See how that works?

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[–] Datawych 6 points 12 points (+18|-6) ago 

And people scoff when I call him a union gangster.

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[–] edistojim 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago 

If one doesn't think the unions are big business, you may be a democrat.

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[–] BlueWingOlive 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

His biggest donors are unions.

I haven't seen him complaining about union bosses making more than ten times+ the people the union is helping.

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[–] Warden 10 points 10 points (+20|-10) ago 

Extortion worked really good in socialist Soviet Union. "Stop the revolution, or be sent to the gulag."

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[–] Omegametroidhunter 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

ya supporting non unionized labor is supporting cheap labor

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[–] [deleted] 7 points 14 points (+21|-7) ago 

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[–] gosso920 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

Or demanding a $15 / hour minimum wage, but paying your campaign workers less than that.

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[–] CowWithBeef 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago  (edited ago)

This one really pisses me off.

Edit: I suppose the reasoning is that as long as the rules of the game are applied equally to everyone, it's not a competitive disadvantage to pay high wages. However if there is no minimum wage, you get a disadvantage relative to your competition by overpaying.

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[–] fizzy88 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago  (edited ago)

For interns. Last I heard they were getting $12 while interns on political campaigns normally don't get pay. And his plan is to work up to $15 by 2020, not immediately, so he's really not being inconsistent with his own beliefs on minimum wage.

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[–] Datawych 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Or you could go full Al Gore and take a private jet everywhere, then do nothing but talk about climate change.

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[–] CowWithBeef 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

The inconvenient truth is that Gore made a lot of money from a circlejerk.

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[–] equi1ibrium 8 points 13 points (+21|-8) ago 

Sanders has made a career out of being a politician. This yet another example that shows how disconnected politicians in Washington really are with the American people.

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[–] losnoches 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

If there's one good point Hillary has made recently, it's quite funny for Bernie to cast himself as a "political outsider". He has been involved in politics since the 60s and has held some major position since 1981. He may be a bit weird and an "outsider" to us as Vermont is quite a unique state politically. But, he is firmly part of their political machine.

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[–] darkcharp 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

I'm confused by the many Bernie supporters over here. People here are almost exclusively against authoritarian regimes, otherwise they would still be at the old place. What Bernie is proposing is a massive expansion of our already huge government. Not hating, just confused. Someone explain please.

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[–] porgysquad 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Simply put, Bernie attracts mostly young voters. The young make up the majority of online sites like Reddit and Voat, so you'll see a bunch of support. I must say though, it has gotten utterly insatiable these past few months.

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[–] b0ard2death 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I think it's also the passionate hatred the community here has for Hillary. Someone still has to be the democratic candidate, so it becomes the lesser of two evils, and to most people here, Bernie is the lesser evil.

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[–] fizzy88 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

When you say "massive expansion of our already huge government," which of his policies are you referring to specifically? I can think of medicare for all and tutition-free education as expanding government's role significantly, but what else? A lot of the bloat in government has to do with the influence of wealthy individuals and corporations that pour money into the political process (lobbyists, organizations, research, and candidates that support them). This kind of influence leads to tweaks here, an extra sentence there, maybe a whole bill written by lobbyists to benefit their employers. Much of the bloat in government comes from extremely powerful individuals, organizations, and corporations which pour money into the political system in order to twist government activity to their benefit...We get bailouts to major financial institutions because they behaved recklessly and they were so huge that their failure would have destroyed the economy. Bernie is against this sort of corruption and manipulation in government. I don't really see it as massive expansion of government, but rather getting government back to working for regular people rather than sleeping with the rich and powerful. Easing the massive financial burdens of healthcare and education on regular people (and paying for them in part through a tax on Wall St transactions, for example) is one major way he wants to do that. It's not about bigger or smaller government. It's about changing the focus of government.

Edit: By the way, socialism and authoritarianism don't go hand in hand. Socialism is more of an economic arrangement, while authoritarianism refers to the means by which a ruling party stays in power and the extent to which they exercise executive power. Also, Bernie isn't even a socialist by the classical definition (workers controlling the means of production rather than, like we have, a private owner). He is still largely, brace yourself, a capitalist. He supports private ownership of all but a few specific services/industries, such as healthcare and education. Actually, even when it comes to healthcare, hospitals and healthcare providers may still end up being privately owned, but it's just that government takes care of the cost while we do away with insurance companies and their bureaucratic waste.

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Edit: By the way, socialism and authoritarianism don't go hand in hand. Socialism is more of an economic arrangement, while authoritarianism refers to the means by which a ruling party stays in power and the extent to which they exercise executive power.

Socialism is public ownership of the means of production. If the public own it, that means they must form an authoritarian structure to decide how to use it. Socialism is authoritarian.

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[–] Warden 12 points 10 points (+22|-12) ago 

Wha-wha-whaaaat, a socialist is being a hypocrite? Never thought of it.

Go home Bernie, you're drunk. Feel the barn.

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[–] edistojim 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

standard fare for a career politician and a Democrat. Business as usual.

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[–] VforVoatdetta 19 points 10 points (+29|-19) ago 

Damn, people desperate to discredit bernie sanders are digging REALLY deep huh?

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[–] 9-11 12 points -1 points (+11|-12) ago 

a lot of closeted hillary supporters on voat.

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[–] revofire 5 points 15 points (+20|-5) ago 

Or maybe people who don't like communism and hate Hillary?

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[–] ellen_pao_is_shit 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

More like insane Trump supporters. Sanders is okay but but I think he is a bit unrealistic and hypocritical.

Rand Paul is the only one that consistently doesn't want to make me vomit. And he actually had a real workable plan - the same can't be said for the other three.

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Fuck Hillary, but she'd probably be marginally better than Sanders. And that's saying a hell of alot.

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[–] MegaMan 14 points -3 points (+11|-14) ago 

I feel like half of these news 'sources' can easily be dismissed the second you read the url

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[–] sharpic 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Or you could, you know, look up the specifics from the source instead of dismissing something out of hand.

Like so

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[–] VforVoatdetta 11 points -3 points (+8|-11) ago 

www.RepublicanShills4Ever.com isn't a legitimate source!?

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[–] sharpic 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Sources:

From interview with Bloomberg

Sanders also said he has “serious problems” with the popular car-hailing company Uber. He called it “unregulated."

Campaign expenditures (Search for candidate Sanders, Bernard. Then "Presidential". Then "Operating Expenditures".)

$611 on Uber, October quarterly operating expenditures.

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[–] fizzy88 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Would you kindly show me the way?

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[–] diodine 12 points 1 points (+13|-12) ago 

That's a little too far. Instead, we should just tax them to starvation so everyone can get free sociology and genderqueer studies degrees.

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