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[–] savageslav 9 points -2 points 7 points (+7|-9) ago
Just like destroyed Nazi Germany and in process made a world a better place for humanity ... Also communism and socialism are two completely different things ... however truth does not matter to people like you.
[–] Trs0817 1 point 5 points 6 points (+6|-1) ago
Communist regimes killed over 100 million people. The "current popularly accepted number" of victims of the Holocaust is 6 million.
[–] savageslav ago
You forgot very important word "Jews" at the end of that sentence. Nazis killed far more than 6 million people. Roughy about 35 million Slavs alone were killed during a WWII fighting Nazis. So get your facts straight, also learn the difference between communism and socialism. I know your head might hurt from sudden influx of actual information, but in the long run it will be worth it, believe me!
[–] TeranNotTerran 2 points 0 points 2 points (+2|-2) ago
I think that there are socialists and communists with strong ideals who don't want to be violent. The problem is that under most of the models, if you have a redistributionist society, you have to have someone point a gun at the guy not paying up. That seems violent to me, like being forced to pay into a mafia.
We already have that sort of violence on a large scale in the US. We are threatened for violence even with completely victimless crimes. And of course, for not paying the income tax which was not even allowed by the constitution until it was amended.
I think there socialism and/or communism can cross into the nazism camp is by concentrating so much power to the government. The government is held as ideal. Let's say it's a socialistic democracy. If the majority don't like blacks, bye bye blacks. If the majority don't like whites... oh, wait.
I think democracy is a loaded gun when it comes to controlling something greater than yourself. If you have any kind of a competent military or police force, the government can enforce laws to their full meaning. Of course, most people don't like to see bloodshed, but that isn't always the case. Some people are quite attracted to violence and I could see society, in time, turning to be pro-open violence. The socialisitic side just amplifies the powers of democracy and puts a different intent on it. It also tends to be a message of being disarmed (I don't know of too many socialists who are pro-gun, at least for a gun moderately equivalent to what the police might have), which makes controlling the masses much easier. The Nazis had a registration and then a confiscation, if I'm not mistaken.
Now I would agree with you if you say that there could be a "better" socialistic society than what I described. In any group, its qualities are mostly made up of the people around it. However, I think that any democratic society where you control more than your share by a vote, is able to succumb to this. And in paritcular, the socialistic message of altruism is not logically consistent. If it is more important to help my brother than myself, he is better than I. If he uses the same argument, I am better than him. If I have no value on my own and I am equal to them, applying a greater value to them than myself is simply double-think. I believe that the best beneveolence comes from when you love and value you yourself, and put yourself first. When you find happiness is through your own pursuits, you may along the way find that helping your neighbor, especially the one who isn't always asking for it, is one of the most fulfilling things you can do. And you do it for the sake of your own happiness.