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[–] DeepFriedPickles 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That sealed the deal...once you eat the apple, you almost CAN'T become a liberal anymore

Completely true. Once you're aware of how the left lie about basically all of their key points/motives it becomes hard to buy anything they say. Even just 20 minutes of research can debunk so many things

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[–] mamwad 7 points 4 points (+11|-7) ago 

Bush didn't chip away at our civil liberties?

I'm a leftist, a secular humanist to be exact. I don't like Obama and I'm a civil libertarian. Politics isn't a team sport. Just because you don't like Democrats doesn't mean you have to like conservatives.

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[–] NedTaggart 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I think people that have changed their view because of a politician are missing the bigger picture. The Democrats and Republicans are 2 sides of the same coin. They throw around core issues simply to distract the public.

Example of this messaging is the Pro-Life/Pro-Choice movement. The fallacy is in the issue. it is a completely different premise and it is right there in the name. For it to be an equal premise it would have to be Pro-Life/Anti-Life or Pro-Choice/Anti-Choice.

Another example is the ACA. Obama led the push for this, but it was billed as healthcare for all. In reality is it a law that forces people to buy medical insurance. The republicans aren't unhappy with this, because this means insurance companies in their districts are making bank.

There are hundreds of examples of this and no one on the D or R side are interested in fixing it. They have developed a climate where it is normal to pass bills into law without knowing what is in it. I think this is one of the reasons that Sanders and Trump are resonating so much with the people is because they aren't playing by the rules.

I am personally a Libertarian. I have no problem with collectivism as a concept, except that participation is compulsory. If people want to band together to help each other, hey, Rock on. I might even participate. Where it goes off the rails for me is when they make laws requiring participation. My believe on laws may come across as hyperbole, but I firmly believe whenever a law is passed, you are giving an entity the power of the state to use lethal force to enforce a doctrine. That said, the current system is broken. If it turns into Trump/Hillary or Cruz/Sanders, I will absolutely vote for the anti-establishment candidate.

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[–] pinkmagnet 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I was a punk rocker when I was a kid and I still play in punk bands. The thing is I never fell for all the PC bullshit going on in the music or the scenes. I've always had a great time trolling the anarchists and left wing nutters. I have found that most kids that come up with those ideals eventually grow out of them because it is just not sustainable outside of their circles.

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[–] Pandapopo 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Used to don the shiniest and whitest of knight armour, muh equality and muh social justice, went into rallies, well very much a Bernie supporter when he first announced. One of my older post here on voat literally praised him for giving up the mic for BLM activists. However, I always have this lingering thought, where did all these movements came from? Only I didn't call them movements, I was actually glad there are some "enlightened" people who pointed out the inequality in life and was very glad to take part in "righting the wrongs". Being morally superior is easy and feels good, it feels good to feel one has contributed, even if it's something as little as attacking the "evil right wing Nazis" on the interwebz.

The videos of Yuri Bezmenov that really made all the difference., and the follow up

What he said really ties my old lingering thoughts together, I didn't buy into it immediately but it just starts the question "What are the intentions of these 'enlightened' people"? Were they really about equality? Then this led to another question, what is equality? Then it led to the phrase "Some people are more equal than others". One thing led to another and the rest is history.

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[–] BlackLabel 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Good old Yuri. I found him eventually, but my questioning started came from Dennis Prager talking why the left wants Social Justice and not just Justice, once you start questioning it doesn't stand to scrutiny.

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Wow, that's a quick turnaround.

Do you realy think BLM are a conspiracy though? More likely they're just young idiots and a few opportunists looking for a fight.

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[–] goatboy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I actually read their literature then did a body count of total humans killed or enslaved. Its stupidity is outmatched only by its evil. The leftists consensus for an International Socialism is both diabolical and retarded. It doesn't matter how that virus mutates, it always is destructive of the social body. It sseems like every generation has some new breed of retards wanting to try again- because maybe just maybe this time they've got all the bugs worked out. Then the body count starts to add up, the idiots ignore or revel in the slaughter, and the collectivist dream implodes another time.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. We've been down this socialist road before and know where it leads- to death and ruin. Yet, knowing that it will not stop this generation of philosophy tards from trying again.

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[–] cyril75 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I grew up, was very "center ground" as far as politics is concerned. And then "New Labour" happened in the UK. I saw waste in the workplace (was in minor public service role). I tried to get union help at uni and at work. Both times the unions would not help, just use you as ammunition against "the man". Real ugly behaviour.

I saw those the left wanted to help as ungrateful lazy self involved money grabbers.

But you can't complain. They need more opportunities and money and bureaucracy(jobs for friends of the public service IN the public service).

I began to see government as not helping the population, just itself protecting its own interests and structure.

It's weird. But when I was young, A hotel in the UK was bombed by the IRA and members of the ruling Conservative party where injured or killed. I met kids the same age who came from mining families in Wales. These 10-14 year olds where happy it happened! They were just sad the prime minister wasn't murdered.

Thinking back, it's haunting that kids and families would wish that on their fellow country men. Mining was dismantled in the UK in the 80s. A lot of people blame Thatcher, and forget the role of Scargill and how it was his actions that led more damage being done than the government alone.

Oh, and don't forget the ex girlfriend. Full on SJW. Fighting for justice, equality and against "the right" All from the comfort of her parents 5 bedroom house in a leafy UK village surrounded by Guardian reading very well off, very comfortable "socialists".

Is just a weird mix of disillusionment, hypocrisy and bare faced greed and anger from those people who place themselves on a moral high horse that had caused me to say "fuck you and the horse you rode in on".

Rambling text. I apologise.

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Thinking back, it's haunting that kids and families would wish that on their fellow country men.

If they were welsh, they probably didn't see them as their countryman so much as their overlord.

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[–] cyril75 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

There is that, yeah. Important point.

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[–] LordCobalt 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Back in middle school I was strongly in favour of communism. Mostly because it was a fun thought experiment at the very least, but also in part to be rebelious against what I viewed to be the establishment at the time, and because I genuinely thought that it was somehow a workable and righteous system. I continued to consider myself communist/socialist up until the 10th grade. During those few years I had started reading a little bit more into economics, and history, and eventually came to the conclusion that communism was massively unworkable. I had abdandoned my far-left stance on economic issues despite retaining my far-left stance on social issues — being horrified over people eating meat and the "wage gap" for instance — until 12th grade when I discovered /r/tumblrinaction. That subreddit, and further exposure to the whole idea of SJWs once I had become aware of it, really held a mirror up to show me how absolutely miserable and rediculous I was being. I quickly fell out of being far-left afterward, but I had remained moderately left for the years that followed until events such as the Baltimore riots, Dylann Roof church shooting, and the migrant crisis, and particularly the reaction to them by one far-left friend of mine, polarised me into droping liberalism and becoming a conservative-leaning libertarian.

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[–] mudcatca 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

I was a liberal Republican for a couple of decades. I detest authoritarian positions on the left and right. I left the party when they held veteran benefits hostage for tax breaks for the very wealthy. Both Trump and Sanders hold positions I identify with most, though I'm slightly closer to Sanders ideologically.

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