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[–] peacegnome 4 points 108 points (+112|-4) ago  (edited ago)

If they want to have a discussion then that's great, if they want to rule and argue the best way to censor content then they can GTFO. they come here and try to shut down discussions using their old shitty ways "you are racist", and that shit doesn't work here.

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[–] Foralltoosee 1 points 48 points (+49|-1) ago 

I see OP's point play out here as well. No, those silencing tactics won't work here, but I've seen the "Go back to reddit" line used in a number of situations where that wasn't the case, and it's really the same thing. Yes, most of the time this leads to two chumps just arguing back and forth, but it has the same ability to drown out a legitimate voice of dissent by attacking the user and not the argument, which is something we absolutely need to avoid.

Voat is still better in this regard as we don't remove the 'reddity' posts, so others can at least read them and judge for themselves. But if you're dropping a line like that in order to discredit someone without addressing the point they made then you're really no different than the SJWs.

[–] [deleted] 1 points 17 points (+18|-1) ago  (edited ago)

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[–] tcp 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The discussions, arguments, and flaming can spew everywhere, and it won't make all that much of a difference. Ultimately, it comes down to not allowing mods to abuse their power no matter who they are. There are people that will come to Voat to subvert and infiltrate. They will seek out mod and supermod positions. They will try to control the chaos and methods of conflict resolution that happen internally or among high-level mods.

That is the real danger. As for what they have to bring to the conversation, I don't personally see them commenting, so I don't know what that would be. However, it may not be productive arguing with someone who is either blind to or accepts the dreadful policies at that other site.

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[–] RumbledFeathers 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I don't think ive seen that yet. Typically people that are told that are trying to silence people or ignoring facts.

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[–] ThizzBoss 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

People who don't like Donald Trump or v/niggers really should go back to reddit if they aren't willing to block the subverse and ignore news they disagree with. I don't go to Bernie threads and cry, so why are these faggots coming to trump threads, throwing a tantrum, and cluttering up the conversation. Back.2.reddit

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[–] STARVE_THE_BEAST 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

My thoughts to a tee.

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[–] Sty1us 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I completely agrew, I feel the people who have the made the switch to come have been because we here at voat shouldn't and don't worry about censorship. We should all be level headed and debate openly about our opinions. We shouldn't have to worry about the sjw having one view sensored because it does not match theirs. On the flip side we shouldn't be sensoring the sjw because it may not match ours.

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[–] Ilikebordercollies 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

See? we can agree sometimes.

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[–] AOU 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

If they want to have a discussion then that's great, if they want to rule and argue the best way to censor content then they can GTFO.

Happened to me just minutes ago

https://voat.co/v/Showerthoughts/comments/791553/3911908

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[–] DoucheBagMcGee 4 points 39 points (+43|-4) ago  (edited ago)

No.

This is the paradox of tolerance. If we tolerant the intolerant, we will eventually lose the open society to intolerant assholes.

This is the same problem Europe is having as we speak.

If they are tolerant of others views, they can stay. If they want to supress speech in the name of some ideology, they can fuck right off. The only value that matters here is free speech. If they can't accept that this isn't their place.

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[–] Ilikebordercollies 3 points 16 points (+19|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Even intolerant assholes are entitled to express their opinions. They just need to learn to do it without personal attacks, name calling, and hissy fits.

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[–] jankonyomama 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago 

Come on, man. You can't take an insult from someone now and then? I prefer a loud, disorderly discussion to sanitized, rule bound debates. Democracy should be a bit riotous.

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[–] smokratez 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Amen. Let's hope those lefties and sjws on this site will read your words and think about their actions and how selfish they are.

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[–] Novius 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

This exactly is my opinion, the "paradox of tolerance" is a farce. Structures and rising civility are not offset when intolerant people are forced to use them, but when we break rules and civility ourselves to fight them. If I call a man a cunt once, now he may do the same. If I ban a man for calling me a cunt, now the categorically same thing may happen to me. People bending the fucking rules to "fight the invaders" teach people by their actions how truly acceptable certain actions are. They get to assume what category of things to ban me for based on my rule-breaking.

Its like a drunk parent telling their kids to behave and not understanding how they grow up to be degenerates, because they listened to the parent's actions and when they got to cheat the rules and learned that too.

If we uncivilize ourselves first then we just lose to better experience, if we break rules we justify other's rule-breaking against us. Free Speech and responsible downvoating will always save us from everything but spam. Nobody will hate mods for leaning towards allowing spam for too long and then reacting, public moderation logs will see to the rest.

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[–] antiplebbitor 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

As Samuel Adams put it: we ought and need only be tolerant of that which furthers civil society...

"....The only Sects which he thinks ought to be, and which by all wise laws are excluded from such toleration, are those who teach Doctrines subversive of the Civil Government under which they live...."

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions15.html

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[–] Psylent 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago  (edited ago)

I find the two sites polar opposites now in the user base, but both are using the same methods. The whole censorship thing hasn't gotten here yet but the same ways users on reddit silence others is the same way it happens here. Say something the hive doesn't like to hear and you will find out pretty quickly. It's kind of fucked really, whoaverse (now voat) used to be a place where downvotes were reserved for a idiotic / incorrect / trolling etc .. now it's just like reddit where it's a "i disagree" button.

On reddit you better be a tumblrina white cis-het hating warrior or you're out, on here you better hate niggers and refugees otherwise you will cop it ... there just isn't any middle ground left anywhere, both sites are becoming extreme examples of one particular type and if you're not like that then it's a case of "fuck you" from both sides.

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[–] DoucheBagMcGee 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

The difference is that nobody will delete your post for disagreeing here. We remove mods completely for shit like that on default subs.

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[–] Wahwahweewah 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

Free speech, period. If you don't agree with what someone else is saying, you should construct an argument to prove your point. If you need to censor their message to get your point across, then your message isn't intelligent or worth listening to.

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[–] Ilikebordercollies 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Free speech, period. If you don't agree with what someone else is saying, you should construct an argument to prove your point. If you need to censor their message to get your point across, then your message isn't intelligent or worth listening to.

I am a "libtard", and I agree with this.

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[–] avnti 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I agree as well. I don't sub to things I think are awful for a reason. I have however, recently been called an SJW, as a derogatory term. Which I don't agree with, but hey, trolls gonna troll. So I didn't reply, and shrugged it off.

I've seen Reddit fall, and it hurt. I never subbed to FPH, or any other banned threads, but if we can't be free here, we're in trouble.

We have to stand for the fact that words are words, actions are actions. You can say anything you like, but doing anything you like is a very different story.

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[–] mamwad 12 points 17 points (+29|-12) ago 

Yup, there's nothing like formulating a well thought out response with links to sources only to be downvoted, called an sjw cuck, and told to go back to reddit. Gotta love that Chimpire. They don't give a shit about free speech. They just exploit our tolerance for their own purposes and actively chase away new users.

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[–] HelloBuddy1234 2 points 11 points (+13|-2) ago 

Your comments aren't well thought out though. You say police are untrustworthy because of a few bad experiences, but muslims are okay because the majority of them don't believe in radical islamic terrorism. "We believe in stereotyping white people and police because xxx but not muslims because xxx" IS what belongs on Reddit. And if Voat were like reddit, instead of someone telling you off, you'd be banned, posted to SRS, and have people threatening to dox and kill you.

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[–] Gracchi 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

You say police are untrustworthy because of a few bad experiences, but muslims are okay because the majority of them don't believe in radical islamic terrorism.

IMO the difference is one has the power of the state behind them. You give Muslims real power to enforce their beliefs and I'll be turning into the radical pronto. But they don't. They are on an equal playing field to me and I can defend myself. So at least as far as state power goes I want them treated as I would want to be treated. Anything used against them can just as easily be turned on me or any other average Joe. That can't be said of police. They are given special powers and the benefit of the doubt throughout the system. I can't defend myself. If I'm wronged I probably have to just accept it and hope I can fight it in the legal system. There power is determined by who you know and how much money you have.

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[–] mamwad 6 points 1 points (+7|-6) ago  (edited ago)

I think I said something like "many police." I'll say the same about Muslims. Many Muslims are terrible people because they come from theocratic shitholes. My conversations about Muslims earlier were regarding a claim that all Muslims support terrorism and such. I rejected that claim.

As far as cops go, they're not to be trusted because their job is to get you in trouble and take your money. I'll respect them and comply, as they are just doing their jobs, but the US justice system is set up in a manner to make police/public interactions adversarial. Ask a lawyer. You're not supposed to trust cops. They aren't paid to be your friend.

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[–] cynoclast 5 points 5 points (+10|-5) ago 

They're going to kill it if they keep it up: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/voat.co

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[–] mamwad 5 points 7 points (+12|-5) ago 

Plenty of racists were on voat before the Chimpire took residence here. They were free to speak their mind. But you could actually have a conversation where everyone was getting upvoted and being polite. But the Chimpire power users are here to push an agenda, not have discussions. I don't think they are actually intelligent enough to have discussions. All they do is circlejerk.

It sucks because our own principles won't let us take care of the problem. The only cure is more users.

It's also terribly ironic that they are basically doing the same thing to voat that the refugees they hate so much are doing to their fatherland. They come in and change our culture and then basically laugh at us when we complain about it. Fuck them.

At least fph knows how to be members of a pluralistic community.

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[–] 9-11 6 points -1 points (+5|-6) ago 

kill voat? i know you'd like that

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[–] MegaMan 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

You hit the nail on the head. Even when you tell them your here to talk not to be a prick, they just perceive it as weakness and turn it up a notch.

If I wanted to be surrounded by blinding hatred , I would just hang around thise SJW's they hate so much. At least then I might see a boob.

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[–] goatboy 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago  (edited ago)

If they were only interested in speaking OP would have a point. Regrettably, they are not. They are parasites. They infect for the purpose of destroying new hosts. We left the other sites, because of authoritarianism and censorship of the systems themselves. Those systems did not turn authoritarian over night. In every case they were infected. When we tell them to leave here, it is not about censorship. It is a learned immune system response to a disgusting threat. It's like seeing someone run out of a hospital covered in festering pustules, bleeding sores, and foaming at the mouth. You don't invite that person in for a drink and a chat. You tell them to get the fuck back to the hospital.

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[–] Moosh_Banger 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

You are spot on. I've seen SJW'S get their teeth into a community and it always begins with supposedly reasonable calls for moderation and tone policing. Another trick they use is to subtly bash you over the head with the tolerance stick. They will play nice while still on the fringes but once they cement themselves into the culture they bare their fangs.

It is then that you will inevitably see people banned and problematic speech closed down.

SJW'S are nothing if not predictable.

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[–] Crensch 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

By saying this people are essentially trying to make a safe space which voat wants to eliminate and rather foster discussion.

Where SJWcancermods are concerned, intolerance of intolerance is not a bad thing. Inviting those that would position themselves to steer the narrative and censor that which disagrees to kindly fuck off to somewhere else does not mean we want a fucking "safe space" but a free speech space that isn't fucking threatened by crybabies.

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[–] Darth_Shitlord 4 points 7 points (+11|-4) ago 

I like it when SJW's are on here. Gives me the opportunity to beat them down like the dogs they are. I don't like them scurrying off to hide from logic and reason.

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[–] cyks 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago  (edited ago)

They are more like zombie roadkill. They got pulverized in their past from playing in the street. Now they want everyone to slow down or go around them because they can not keep up or they can not simply move out of the way. It is all about them now because they refuse to share the road. Some guy in a truck forgot to pick them up, and now they roam the streets, unliving and trying to eat brains.

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[–] TimberWolfAlpha 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I only tell people that when they're trying to change the fundamental nature of voat to something more like reddit

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