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[–] Kleyno 5 points 19 points (+24|-5) ago 

I always find it interesting how the Media always portrays a Politician of Political Party changing its mind/stance on an issue, as a sign of weakness.

Yes, oh great MSM, better to have a candidate or party which sticks to their guns, no matter how ill advised that can sometimes be.

Personally I know I'd prefer a Candidate/Party which can be flexible and adapt to changing social, political, economic, and environmental situations.

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[–] Omegametroidhunter 2 points 35 points (+37|-2) ago 

Except when you deny you ever had said position and then change it it kinda is a sign of weakness

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[–] Kleyno 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Says a lot more about their character than just weakness, too.

I wonder if they need to apply any special cream for the repeated burns they must suffer from, on account of their lying pants being on fire all the time.

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[–] gota_party 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Remember it's the guardian! They're mischaracterising his position and then claiming he changed it. He's clarifying it: the US should have better paying jobs, not higher paying jobs. Engineers at $70k/yr not janitors at $15/hr.

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[–] seerick 8 points -3 points (+5|-8) ago 

I agree, anyone who can take a step back and re-evaluate, research and come out with a new position better suited to the reality shows to me that they are willing to put policy before pride. Trump has earned some cool points here.

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[–] the_magic_man 1 points 14 points (+15|-1) ago 

Changing his mind isn't the issue. Denying he ever said it and calling sanders a liar when he clearly did say it is the issue.

Trump fucked up, simply as

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[–] Entomo 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

How have you treated Hillary Clinton when she "changed her mind"?

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[–] NedTaggart 4 points 10 points (+14|-4) ago  (edited ago)

Being against Minimum wage hikes doesn't necessarily mean you don't think wages should be raised.

Minimum wage hikes in this economy could be problematic. The idea is to improve the economy where ALL wages go up.

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[–] common_sense 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago 

Which it never does. Corporations aren't charities.

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[–] NedTaggart 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

To a point. A strong economy means more people will be spending money and companies aren't skittish abou hiring. It the small things like people being willing to go to lunch instead of feeling like they need to bring one, people paying to have their car washed instead of doing it themselves. People willing to pay to have a home theater set up, instead of doing that on their own. There are a thousand ways every day people will spend money if they feel secure that they have disposable income. Each one means work for someone else.

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[–] ShinyVoater 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

One group that often gets lost in talk about minimum wage is teens and others just getting their foot in the door of the workforce, which setting it to a living wage would make make much more difficult. So, yes, we do need higher wages, but without increasing the minimum so that everyone can benefit.

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[–] SRS-Airbag 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

No, wages rise when employers compete for labor. A minimum wage means that there is not enough competition so there has to be a price floor on labor.

Wages sick not because corporations are evil but we have too much labor. Curbing immigration is start.

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[–] seerick 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

I think that may be his biggest problem. That he doesn't effectively explain his points leaving a lot for the media and other campaigns to twist into a different context. I'm hoping as time goes on he and other candidates evolve their platforms and policies, that he and a couple others will become better communicators when it comes to leaving a lot to be interpreted wrong.

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[–] mamwad 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

[Trump] doesn't effectively explain his points...

Possibly because he's talking out his ass.

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[–] StarSlinger 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

No higher wages without better trade deals and massive government push to create free energy to power these industries. Eventually leading to little to no human's working. They coluld have been there already, instead they decided to use cheap labor from China instead of revolutionizing the economy and society.

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[–] peacegnome 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You don't want free energy, it distorts the markets and you end up with something like our "free education" or our "free police officers". The government could remove barriers to entry for people looking to generate power, but i think there is already plenty of positive pressure for that.

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[–] Tecktonik 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Trump exists in a universe where everything he says is true. So if he says wages are too high, and wages are too low, both are true and nothing is contradictory.

Now imagine how someone like this would behave as Executive in Chief. You don't have to look back too far to find similar figures - George W. Bush lived in a similar, though more malapropic, universe, as did his VP.

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[–] Candygram_for_Mongo 3 points 4 points (+7|-3) ago 

Sanders isn't running against Trump. How will he ever beat Hillary if she is treated with kid gloves?

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[–] mcwilshire 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago  (edited ago)

He's not even really running against Hillary. He's just running. Nowhere.

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[–] Devildetails 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Forest Trump.

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[–] Omegametroidhunter 4 points 3 points (+7|-4) ago 

What was that about donald saying what he feels like

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[–] gota_party 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago  (edited ago)

It's the gutter-dwelling guardian (archive https://archive.is/a1AKm) so one should automatically assume an anti-Trump headline is a lie. And it pretty much is. Trump seems to be talking about getting better paying jobs whereas Bernie just wants jobs to pay more. Trump, as a capitalist, cares about productivity and value creation whereas Bernie, as a populist, is not concerned by the realities of economics.

They’re angry because their jobs have left this country and gone to China or other low-wage countries. They’re angry because they can’t afford to send their kids to college so they can’t retire with dignity,” Sanders said on Sunday.

Yes, Bernie. And if you raise their wages even more then even more jobs will go! Even if they are in the service sector this will be the case, because a skilled crafstman who has to pay an extra $1 for a coffee or any other service will have to charge more for his own product in order to maintain his standard of living. This makes a Chinese craftsman more competitive.

“The middle-class has worked so hard, are not getting the kind of jobs that they have long dreamed of – and no effective raise in years. BAD,” Trump tweeted.

Yes, Donald. It is the quality of the job that is important, not what you can force an employer to pay for it. But he seems to be suggesting protectionism, which would be no benefit to anyone long-term. That's where Trump falls into the populism trap.

But ultimately they are both missing the bigger picture, or are not willing to talk about it. This is that there is no reason for US workers to be richer than Chinese workers so wages will have to even out over time. What could be more liberal, or more capitalist, than to say "we are not worth more than you"?

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[–] FriedrichNietzsche 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

I like how, in every thread that paints Sanders in a good light, you'll see a healthy amount of downvotes.

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