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[–] NorBdelta 2 points 19 points (+21|-2) ago  (edited ago)

I have always maintained the view that criminals and individuals who conduct mass shootings will not be hindered by gun control laws, if someone wants a gun, they can easily get one on the black market. Not to mention bringing in gun control in a country like USA would be next to impossible with the current numbers out in the market. Edit Forgive my poor poor syntax errors, using the android app

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[–] TheodoreKent 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Yeah, even if guns were illegal, what are you going to do to the ones that were owned legally? Conduct house by house searches to remove guns from people's homes? That... Doesn't sound like it would end well for anybody.

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[–] jeegte12 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Which is the absolute only reason they haven't passed sweeping gun control.

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[–] MichaelDouglas 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Really? Why are we 20 times more likely to die from guns than other developed countries then?

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/17/lisa-bloom/americans-are-20-times-likely-die-gun-violence-cit/

Shouldn't all these guns be keeping us safe?

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[–] Rebel_Ratel 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

We are 20 times more likely to die from guns than other developed countries according to a left leaning political checking site that includes criminals and suicides in the count.

There, fixed that for you.

Let's look at some real data from the FBI and other official counts. https://youtu.be/Ooa98FHuaU0

It looks like violence overall increases without the ability of citizens to defend themselves, weird. It also looks like if you don't count inflated numbers this is highlighted even more.

A quick check of the interwebs also reveals a conservative estimate of around 60,000 defensive uses a year and an up end of 33 million. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use

It's almost like this is a really complicated issue, and the inanimate object is not at fault. You know, like the war on drugs or prohibition.

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[–] phatnice 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I have always maintained the view that criminals and individuals who conduct mass shootings will not be hindered by gyn control laws

Actually they are. They tend to go to areas "gun free" because it's not fun when your pray can fight back. Aurora cinema shooter did just that, drove out of his way to find the cinema where guns were not allowed. So all his victims literally had no chance to fight back.

Same with Paris shooting. They went to a concert, a gun free zone. If they had any balls they would have tried to assault a Police Station or Army Base where people are armed but they don't!

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[–] dreMD 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago 

they can easily get one on the black market

How easily? As easy as buying one from a store? Or grabbing one from a safe? How many American's do you know with connections too illicit arms dealers? As an Australian it would be next to impossible for me to "easily" acquire one on the black market.

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[–] 3401743? 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Can you not just buy one from the dark web markets? Law enforcement can't keep drugs and cellphones out of maximum security prisons. What makes you think they will keep guns out of the hands of people that want them?

The day guns become illegal is the day all the Central and South American cartels stop shipping drugs and start shipping guns.

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[–] reconstructedcaribou 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

As easy as it is to buy drugs, or at least it would be.

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[–] Men13 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

How hard is it to buy illegal drugs now? That easily.

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[–] WaitingForHitler [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

How many American's do you know with connections too illicit arms dealers?

Not the normal folks maybe, but the criminals will most certainly have.