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[–] NorBdelta 2 points 19 points (+21|-2) ago  (edited ago)

I have always maintained the view that criminals and individuals who conduct mass shootings will not be hindered by gun control laws, if someone wants a gun, they can easily get one on the black market. Not to mention bringing in gun control in a country like USA would be next to impossible with the current numbers out in the market. Edit Forgive my poor poor syntax errors, using the android app

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[–] TheodoreKent 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Yeah, even if guns were illegal, what are you going to do to the ones that were owned legally? Conduct house by house searches to remove guns from people's homes? That... Doesn't sound like it would end well for anybody.

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[–] jeegte12 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Which is the absolute only reason they haven't passed sweeping gun control.

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[–] MichaelDouglas 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Really? Why are we 20 times more likely to die from guns than other developed countries then?

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/17/lisa-bloom/americans-are-20-times-likely-die-gun-violence-cit/

Shouldn't all these guns be keeping us safe?

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[–] Rebel_Ratel 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

We are 20 times more likely to die from guns than other developed countries according to a left leaning political checking site that includes criminals and suicides in the count.

There, fixed that for you.

Let's look at some real data from the FBI and other official counts. https://youtu.be/Ooa98FHuaU0

It looks like violence overall increases without the ability of citizens to defend themselves, weird. It also looks like if you don't count inflated numbers this is highlighted even more.

A quick check of the interwebs also reveals a conservative estimate of around 60,000 defensive uses a year and an up end of 33 million. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use

It's almost like this is a really complicated issue, and the inanimate object is not at fault. You know, like the war on drugs or prohibition.

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[–] phatnice 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I have always maintained the view that criminals and individuals who conduct mass shootings will not be hindered by gyn control laws

Actually they are. They tend to go to areas "gun free" because it's not fun when your pray can fight back. Aurora cinema shooter did just that, drove out of his way to find the cinema where guns were not allowed. So all his victims literally had no chance to fight back.

Same with Paris shooting. They went to a concert, a gun free zone. If they had any balls they would have tried to assault a Police Station or Army Base where people are armed but they don't!

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[–] dreMD 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago 

they can easily get one on the black market

How easily? As easy as buying one from a store? Or grabbing one from a safe? How many American's do you know with connections too illicit arms dealers? As an Australian it would be next to impossible for me to "easily" acquire one on the black market.

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[–] 3401743? 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Can you not just buy one from the dark web markets? Law enforcement can't keep drugs and cellphones out of maximum security prisons. What makes you think they will keep guns out of the hands of people that want them?

The day guns become illegal is the day all the Central and South American cartels stop shipping drugs and start shipping guns.

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[–] reconstructedcaribou 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

As easy as it is to buy drugs, or at least it would be.

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[–] Men13 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

How hard is it to buy illegal drugs now? That easily.

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[–] WaitingForHitler [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

How many American's do you know with connections too illicit arms dealers?

Not the normal folks maybe, but the criminals will most certainly have.

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[–] Gargilius 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Well, California has laws against 'high capacity' magazines, this is why mass shootings don't happen here, right?

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[–] Gargilius 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

That one made sense, in a cynical way: clever use of one's position of power to limit the competition of one's side business. :-)

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[–] idonotvoat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Same reason most drugs are illegal.

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[–] schwanstucker 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Exactly. I have a legal semiautomatic rifle. The San Bernardino shooters' rifles were undoubtedly illegal, with high capacity magazines.

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[–] Moderately_soluble 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

How dare he own a box with a spring with adequate volume to hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition! Oh the humanity

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[–] Gargilius 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

...illegal...high capacity...

Darn, they really are going to throw the book at them, won't they? :-) for all we know, it all happened in a gun free zone too. The humanity.

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[–] Grumpy_Old_Man 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Don't forget, speaking in Paris 2 weeks after a mass shooting there, Obama said that mass shootings only happen in the US. He is such a dipshit.

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[–] 3401619? 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Bet that picture is worth a banning on Reddit now days.

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[–] tanukihat 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

What's the quote? When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns?

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[–] ad_astra 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Hello, I'm interested in this debate and don't hold any strong opinions on it. I ran the numbers and produced a graph of guns per capita versus homicides per capita in developed countries (because comparing the US to Honduras seemed pointless).

Here is the graph, data obtained from Wikipedia

There seems to me to be some data that suggests that more guns leads to less homicides because a line drawn from Chile to Switzerland contains almost all of the data which depicts a negative correlation between gun density and homicides - except for the US which is an outlier for both guns per capita and homicides per capita. However, the reality is that there's a band of countries (the majority of developed countries) with low homicide rates that seems to be fairly independent of gun availability. There are outliers to this band that are seen above it and have been labelled.

What is the opinion of the pro-gun side on why the US has such a high homicide rate despite having such a high gun density?

Disclaimer: I am an Australian.

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[–] Heimdallr 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Non-Hispanic Whites make up 63% of the US population. Comparing the United States of America to racially homogeneous European nations, and not comparing them to Honduras, is either ignorant or intentionally facetious.

 

A comparison to Australia:

Australian Population: 23.5m

White: 92%

Homicides: 430 (2013)

 

"White America" (Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, South & North Dakota, Minnesota, Iowa, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont)

Population: 23.5m

White: 86%

Homicides: 444 (2013)

Average Gun Ownership: 36.73%

 

You might want to double check my copy-pasting and averaging of those stats, but I believe I grabbed the right column each time.

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[–] WaitingForHitler [S] 4 points 0 points (+4|-4) ago  (edited ago)

Here's your answer. You ready?

Niggers + Gun = Trouble

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[–] ad_astra 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Serves me right for commenting on a post by a guy with a white supremist name.

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[–] Diavolo1988 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

how about poverty + gun = trouble?

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[–] mistryla 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

With fisting!

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[–] farmer- 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

tweet it at her

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[–] DiamondMask 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

I am deeply intrigued by the fact that whenever these mass shootings occur there is an instantaneous and adamant refusal to consider the possibility that there might be something, even something very tiny, wrong with American gun laws.

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[–] BRAlNlAC 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Well as a California resident, I think there is something wrong with our gun laws, they are far too restrictive. In most of the state it is very difficult to get a concealed carry permit, which is a major component of the social protection which an armed populace can afford.

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[–] DiamondMask 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I think the only reasoned response to this would be to ask for proof. Can you point me to a society with looser gun laws that is more polite and where there are fewer mass shootings?

And I mean that genuinely. Is there one?

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[–] Maennes 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

So there isn't actually a problem to solve, right? It's good enough to send my prayers to the victims and their loved ones, isn't it?

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