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[–] Somali ago  (edited ago)

The border is only clearly outlined on a map. In the real world the border between Syria and Turkey in that part is an invisible line going through forests and mountains. It's entirely possible to slightly go into their airspace in bad weather if you're bombing a group right on the border, and Russia did acknowledge and apologize for it then. And again, in that case you send an escort/contact the plane since it's obvious as hell it's not targeting anything in Turkey and Turkey itself violates sovereign airspace all the fucking time.

Edrogan also went out of his way to state that the bomber was attacking their "brother and sister" Turkmen, so it's pretty obvious that Turkey was acting as their air force in this case.

Russians were dumb for sending in the bomber unsupported by fighter jets given Turkey's prior threats but at least now their air defense systems will be covering every bomber that goes through there.

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[–] DickHertz 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

The weather wasn't bad enough to keep them from hitting their targets though. When has Turkey sent armed bombers into other country's airspace? All the time? Russians were dumb to be bombing an area close enough to Turkey that they can't manage to stay out of their airspace reliably. They aren't owed a free pass by any means.

I have a feeling that if they continue to overfly Turkey and shoot down a Turkish plane in their own airspace shit will get serious. Like sea skimming missile serious.

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[–] Somali ago  (edited ago)

Because the targets exist in the real world rather than solely on a map, ie you can see them in the real world, and they most likely had to do multiple approaches. The two situations are not comparable.

It hasn't even been established that the plane did violate Turkish airspace. We know for a fact that it was hit over Syria and crashed in Syria. Russia stated they did not receive any warnings from Turkey and Turkey has not released any audio to corroborate their claims. A plane doesn't get shot down after going through a country's airspace for a few seconds (even if that did happen), without any attempts to escort it or establish a visual, without said country aching to do it. And yes, shit will get serious and Turkey will not be on the good side of it, with their free pass of having a porous border with overflowing cheap ISIS oil and jihadis going through it probably going up in flames.