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[–] nomenimion 2 points 80 points (+82|-2) ago 

They aren't saying anything because they want Hillary to win. She's been bought.

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[–] celadarlie 3 points 13 points (+16|-3) ago 

They'll have to cover him when he wins the primary.

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[–] Gracchi 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Get ready to see the party use every dirty trick in the book against him.

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[–] lissencarak 8 points 2 points (+10|-8) ago 

It is cute that you think that.

Unfortunately, unless Hillary suffers a major setback (indicted, sex scandal tapes), she will be the nominee.

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[–] erietemperance 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Ron Paul was leading every poll in 2007/8 and he was breaking attendance records,

Then the primaries/Caucasus happened,

Even the states he won he didn't win

And McCain got the nom,

This has all happened before, and it always ends up pro "status quo"

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[–] sp00kygh0st 7 points 49 points (+56|-7) ago 

NBC and CNN polls are the biggest jokes, take everything they say with a big grain of salt

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[–] 3114633? 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Also, if they're still on electronic voting machines, they'll have picked the winner beforehand.

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[–] Perigran 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

I agree. There is no way America would vote for a socialist over Trump. I'm not buying the numbers.

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[–] ZweibelKuchen 23 points 38 points (+61|-23) ago  (edited ago)

Promising free money with no plan to pay for it will win over more voters than a workable plan to make things better in the long term.

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[–] Lootaluck 22 points 17 points (+39|-22) ago 

I'm more than happy to pay some additional taxes to see the US join the first world in terms of the healthcare, education opportunities and social safety nets they offer

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[–] Kaizervonmaanen 11 points 26 points (+37|-11) ago 

You would not even have to pay much more, you already pay tons of taxes that goes towards healthcare. Healthcare is really cheap when there is no profit incentive

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[–] ZweibelKuchen 12 points 13 points (+25|-12) ago 

good

free

You know you have to pick one right? I'd rather have good.

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[–] FishWithAMustache 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

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[–] lissencarak 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

You can always just give more to charity. There is healthcare charity if you are interested in that. There is also educational charity. I am not sure why you feel like you should be taking decisions for the rest of us.

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[–] KoKansei 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Why democracy always implodes in on itself in a nutshell.

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[–] jstressman 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Did you make even the slightest effort to check the validity of your statement before making it?

Even a few seconds on google gives you the answers that show your statement to be a completely false premise.

http://www.youngprogressivevoices.com/2015/10/19/bernie-sanders-will-pay-everything/

That for example, or countless others that outline what Sanders himself has repeatedly stated in numerous interviews etc.

He explains how he would pay for the different programs he proposes, and even why they would end up cheaper than what we're currently paying. Thus in the end not costing average middle and working class people, but actually saving us billions of dollars because of improvements to the system reducing the insanely high costs we're currently paying etc.

So we in fact don't have "free money", but rather money that comes from specific sources for specific reasons that have been detailed. We don't have "no plan", but instead a number of specific plans that have been clarified repeatedly. Thus we do in fact have a workable plan that is specifically slated to make things better in the long term for objectively valid reasons.

Nothing about what you just said has any basis in reality.

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[–] RedditIsPropaganda23 3 points 1 points (+4|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Bernie will tax the 1% more. He will probably tax corporations more.

He is also going to tax wallstreet.

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[–] ZweibelKuchen 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Which will increase corporate inversion and reduce revenue.

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[–] mutantbayfish 28 points 37 points (+65|-28) ago  (edited ago)

Source occupydemocrats. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA!

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[–] Ghetto_Shitlord 6 points 17 points (+23|-6) ago 

True, but the data is from realclearpolitics, an aggregator of polling data.

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[–] brody9311 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

Media Bias much? Haha

That website is wrong a lot so I don't even waste my time. Case and point.

Link

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[–] Al_Rubyx 5 points -3 points (+2|-5) ago 

Whoa man you alright? You stopped breathing there for a second.

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[–] FriedrichNietzsche 8 points -3 points (+5|-8) ago 

so do you always presume data you don't like is false or is it just political data?

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[–] cynoclast [S] 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Yes.

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[–] [deleted] 10 points 31 points (+41|-10) ago 

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[–] akornblatt 6 points 17 points (+23|-6) ago 

Did you read the article?

In fact, according to RealClear Politics, in a general election: Sanders vs. Trump, Sanders is up by 9 points over Trump, 50 percent to 41 percent in the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll from October 29. In another recent poll from CNN/ORC, Sanders also leads Trump by 9 points, 53 percent to 44 percent. In last week’s Quinnipiac poll, Sanders leads Trump by 2 points, 46 percent to 44 percent. And in the summary averages from RealClear Politics as of Wednesday morning, Sanders leads Trump by 3.2 points.

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[–] TheDude2 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

The most important number is delegate count. It's hard to poll right now, but I think Bernie has the lead. But it means zero until nominees are selected.

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[–] codyave 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

It's a meaningless poll until Bernie can beat Hillary in the primaries.

Hell, Jeb has been beating Hillary in national polls.

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[–] cynoclast [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Of course not. He only thinks in false dichotomies...

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[–] Fagtardicus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

its theyre even a point to this? some imaginary voat with all presidential candidates is irrelevant to reality

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 13 points 3 points (+16|-13) ago 

On what planet is Bernie leading the Democrats? He's getting smoked in every poll.

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[–] lissencarak 11 points 0 points (+11|-11) ago 

That is understated but the commie kids on voat don't want a dose of reality.

To be fair, they probably haven't seen a lot of elections up close. It's just difficult to be older and still a commie.

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[–] Lootaluck 13 points -3 points (+10|-13) ago 

Um in which poll? Trumps losing in most nation wide polls and heavily losing in polls of key first primary/caucus states specifically Iowa and NC

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 7 points 21 points (+28|-7) ago 

Trumps losing in most nation wide polls

False:

http://i.imgur.com/GyAzIqu.png

heavily losing in polls of key first primary/caucus states specifically Iowa

False:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/11/05/relia2.pdf

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Gravis_Iowa_Nov_2015.pdf

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_IA_110215.pdf

Just because the media's cherrypicking polls to create a narrative that Trump is done, does not mean that the narrative is true.

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[–] springboard 1 points 14 points (+15|-1) ago 

This election in the US is absolutely fascinating as an outsider. I've been following the US elections since 2000 and this election has been the one where I have absolutely no idea what the heck is going to happen. If you had asked me 4 months ago I would have said it would have been (another) Bush-Clinton, but at this point, I have no idea. If the last few months have taught me anything, I have no idea what is in store for us by February.

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[–] matt 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

We're fascinated in the US also. Like, "Holy shit something might actually change this time." If it does come down to trump vs sanders you will see massive voater turnout. Then it could be anyone's game.

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[–] cynoclast [S] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I would love to see Trump vs. Sanders if only for no other reason than they both openly admit that national politics are extremely corrupt. It would be hard for the country to deny its become a plutocracy if both major candidates running say it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig

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[–] springboard 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If it does come to Trump vs Sanders, I think we'll see their viewpoints converge away from the "extremes". Right now both are in the comfort of their campaigns speaking to their own people and that does isolate them from some criticism. When they actually go out in front of the entire American public, without the worry of other candidates, the game is different. Politics is all about image and perception and what you say to your own party is not the same you can say to the general public. Is it unfortunate that it works this way? I think so, but that's how politics is these days.

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[–] ACCOUNT_DELETED 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Here's my guess: Hillary is going to take the Democratic primaries by a landslide and the general election by a slight margin (due to nuances in the electoral college). That's what's been paid for, and that's what's going to be delivered.

Hillary will glorify herself all through the campaign. She appears before vast (hand-picked) crowds who ask her scripted questions, cheer for her, shake her hand and say how much they love her after her speech, and give her truckloads of money. Her entire life is scripted to that very end; she has done nothing but raise funds full-time since she quit her job as Secretary of State.

However, after she is put into office, she is stuck in the spotlight and has to actually deliver on what she has promised. She is no longer allowed to go out in front of crowds who adore her and ask her those softball questions. She has to account for her actions and explain every actual and perceived slight, and suffer constant criticism and second-guessing from the media, Congress, and the American people.

Like every other job she has had in her life, I am guessing she will quit. She quit her job as senator when she could have been easily reelected, she quit her job as Secretary of State, and she will quit her job as president, because while she is great at persuading and motivating people and raising funds, she has no talent for leadership, and does not handle criticism or failure to accomplish goals well. My guess is that after two, maybe two and a half years, she will resign, stating poor health or something similar. She already has the groundwork laid for that very possibility; there's been questions about her health for over a year now.

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[–] Drenki 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Almost makes me want to vote for her so I can witness the trainwreck.

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[–] OncitaBonita 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

I don't know if I can trust the this information when the media source is called occupydemocrats....

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[–] edistojim 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

Must have taken the poll in downtown Burlington Vermont……..

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