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[–] Moonbat 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago
There's an opposing point of view to this, and it isn't climate change denial. You should stop and consider what you just said - that "greed" is behind climate-change denial. Without agreeing or disagreeing with either political stance, I simply want to point out that you injected politics into the conversation.
I'm thoroughly convinced that climate change is happening and is man-made, so I'm not disagreeing with you about that per se. But I also know that this is a scientific fact which plays into the hands of anti-capitalism types, who are against capitalism for ideological reasons which have nothing to do with the environment. It's for that reason I'm a little more reluctant to take at face value much of the "climate catastrophe" hysteria that's pumped out by that crowd on a regular basis.
[–] Kurplow 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
You make a fair point, that anti-capitalists might use this to serve their own goals. Global capitalism contributes significantly to carbon emissions, being the argument.
However, doubting science based on that concern is to likewise insert politics into the conversation.
I'm not sure I was wrong to insert politics into the conversation when discussing a presidential candidate's views on science. Are we really expected to think his views are not politically motivated?
[–] Moonbat 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
No; and after I wrote that I even thought about the silliness of accusing somebody of injecting politics into a conversation in /v/politics.
I just sometimes feel the need to provide a little pushback, because it irks me that what should be science is so often used for political ends that may have nothing to do with the climate. Both sides are guilty - one side of exaggerating the problem, the other of denying it altogether.
[–] flyawayhigh 6 points -4 points 2 points (+2|-6) ago (edited ago)
I have to wonder .. are you one of the many misguided people who think regulation is "anti-capitalist"?
It's not.
Are there people who will use any fact available to promote a big political ends?
Always.
Can we stop that by distorting, hiding, or mitigating the facts?
Not likely.
So, I have an idea.
Let's stick with the actual facts.
Your comment is politicization -- the very thing that seems to concern you.
No response. Just an immediate downVoat. That's what happens when you corner yourself by making preemptive accusations of political motives which are the very political motives that you manifest. :)
[–] deathcomesilent 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
The term "capitalism" has been so bastardized via politics in the last 50 years, that they abandoned that actual meaning and started using "true capitalism" to describe the former.
According to macroeconomics, regulation of trade is always anti-capitalist. No way around it. However, people are so brainwashed that when someone says "anti-capitalist" they hear "bad." Economic theory does not have a moral compass, good and bad are bullshit concepts (when applied outside the self) to enforce guilt and promote compliance.
AND FINALLY: the word "politic" is a bullshit misnomer that never quite means anything. Everything anyone cares about is technically politics. If you say "I don't like politics" you're basically saying "i don't like things that involve planning and tactful no-nonsense dealing." It's all political double speak put there to keep people arguing semantics while the world burns.