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[–] Moonbat 31 points 74 points (+105|-31) ago 

But the point is, in 2008 this country took a huge step forward in voting for a candidate based on his ideas and not the color of his skin.”

Riiiiiiight, Bernie. He got 90% of the black vote because of his terrific ideas. Mmm-hmm. /s

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[–] voat_gold 8 points 53 points (+61|-8) ago 

Democratic candidates almost always get around 90% of the black vote. Obama was no different.

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[–] flyawayhigh 4 points 31 points (+35|-4) ago  (edited ago)

Right. The whole point of the quote was that a black man could win enough of the white vote.

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[–] Moonbat 1 points 20 points (+21|-1) ago 

That's actually a good point. I looked up the numbers, and I suppose you're right. There still was an air of "hope and change" hysteria surrounding that election, and I've never felt like he won it on the merit of his ideas.

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[–] lissencarak 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

He got like 95%. It's a lot even for a democrat, but we know why.

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[–] didntsayeeeee 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Pretty sure he got a substantially higher percentage but don't have the numbers handy.

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[–] M0lonLabe 6 points 27 points (+33|-6) ago 

I hate the fact I voted for Obummer because of the shit run Bush had. I was definitely a young dumb voter.

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[–] EndDrugAndOtherWars 4 points 31 points (+35|-4) ago  (edited ago)

Obama lied to us about spying, the constitution, closing Guantanamo, drugs and foreign policy. Pretty early on it became clear he was full of shit. To be fair I was high as fuck when I actually voted for him, and I am ashamed to admit I teared up a bit during his victory speech (also high as fuck). Needlessly to say, I ended up volunteering for Ron Paul in 2012 in multiple states and when he lost I voted for Gary Johnson; men of actual principle.

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[–] TheBrokenWorld 8 points 13 points (+21|-8) ago  (edited ago)

Don't you remember what the alternatives were? They would have been much worse.

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[–] CommonSense 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

If you're on board the Bernie train, then you haven't made any progress.

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[–] Kaizervonmaanen 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Obama is just George Bush in black face.

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[–] newoldwave 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I thought Obama got 100% of the black vote.

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[–] HelmedHorror 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Riiiiiiight, Bernie. He got 90% of the black vote because of his terrific ideas. Mmm-hmm. /s

Keep in mind that a most people who voted for Obama were white. Of all the people who voted for Obama, most were white.

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[–] Drunkenmoba 19 points 68 points (+87|-19) ago 

Wait wait wait, people are raging over this? Seriously, the country was founded by and for white upper class men. He's not lying, he's speaking history. Any other interpretation on it is veiled through history and removing some of those pesky 'facts' that those historians talk about. For all the ragers in this thread, go get a damn history book and read up on the founding fathers.

Damn shame when facts are turned into a 'negative' thing; just because those facts conflict with your personal view on a subject.

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[–] Grunge 4 points 18 points (+22|-4) ago 

the term SJW has pretty much lost all meaning. Now the definition of a Social Justice Warrior is "I don't agree with that"'

But he's right, this country was indeed founded on genocide and slavery. It still is as far as the slavery goes, slavery is still live and well here in the states, its been outsourced and confined in prisons.

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[–] RaxSnax 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I feel like a lot of first-world/civilized nations these days were founded on similar principles. Not saying it makes it okay, just a fact.

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[–] Kotoran 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Not necessarily genocide. We didn't target natives because of their race, we just displaced them because they were in the way. The natives that were willing to assimilate were free to do so, but most couldn't.

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[–] Dereliction 8 points 11 points (+19|-8) ago 

Which founding principles do you consider racist or specifically for white upper class men?

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[–] tonycongo 11 points 26 points (+37|-11) ago 

Defining blacks as subhuman.

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[–] wuziwu 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

killing off native Americans

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[–] Kaizervonmaanen 5 points 3 points (+8|-5) ago 

'all men are created equal' was only meant to apply to white men. Not the negroes who they did not even consider men, just like how they did not mean the cattle or women.

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[–] Hateblade 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Racism was systemic in the nation's founding, not a by-product that just happened to occur due to unrelated circumstances. It was systemic worldwide and the US was no different.

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[–] china_troll 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

That might be a small part. By that standard, you may as well say USA was founded on sexism, homophobia, Christianity, and whatnot.

But really, the only defining feature of USA is that they didn't want to pay taxes :) And that's what Bernies really hate about founding fathers.

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[–] Hateblade 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yes, I too am concerned at how the existence of Coontown affects me in my daily life.

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[–] Rummel 34 points 37 points (+71|-34) ago  (edited ago)

I thought he went full SJW when he said America needs to apologize for slavery.

Fuck Bernie Sanders, he may win the votes of the lazy useful idiots of feminism and SJWs, but he stands absolutely no chance to people that actually have jobs and work for a living; the people that actually make this country run.

Enjoy the hypetrain while it lasts, Sanders worshippers, and while you're at it, stop by the temp agency and get a job.

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[–] tonycongo 17 points 39 points (+56|-17) ago 

no chance to people that actually have jobs and work for a living; the people that actually make this country run.

I have a job and work for a living and I will vote for Bernie Sanders. So there goes that theory.

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[–] DASTARDLYDESPERADO 2 points 9 points (+11|-2) ago 

same here. I don't think that If Sanders or anyone else becomes president a damn thing is going to be different. However I think his popularity is an indicator of how outside of the norm we are willing to go for a potential president. At the same time the election is 14 months away. Oh Canada, you so smart with only 2 months of election BS.

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[–] jallab 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Eh, you will lose that job, and end up starving, if history tells us anything.

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[–] xristian 9 points 0 points (+9|-9) ago 

I also have a job, a PhD, and I'm voting for Berndog

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[–] KleanRider 4 points 17 points (+21|-4) ago  (edited ago)

You are exactly right.

Bernie's appeal is mostly due to very liberal WHITE voting blocks and he is only competitive where there are lots of them... ie NH and Iowa. Notice I said competitive not dominating... He does worse than Biden (who isn't even running) in states that have black voters or more moderate liberals. (Ohh the irony that is BLM and the democratic party who can't win the Presidential election anymore w/o lots of black people turning out! but that is another story...)

Bernie's momentum is solely attributed to the news media wanting a competitive Democratic race. I've said this over and over again and posted many article, (most from 538 which are based on actual statistics, pollings and reasoning) but no one really gets it. I've tried putting it on reddit and they get downvoted to hell. So I'm in your camp. Whatever to these sheep who develop opinions the way the mass media wants them to... I'll just wait and enjoy watching their tears when Bernie gets blown away during the Democratic nomination LOL.

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[–] Cid 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Have we ever, as a country, apologized for slavery? I mean, even after slaves were freed we went to segregation and Jim Crow laws to the CIA starting a crack epidemic in black communities to fund their shit because black lives are expendable. If there was it didn't mean shit. Hell, the statue of Liberty was suppose to be a freed slave but we weren't ready to have that as a symbol of our nations freedom (and no, I'm not talking about the hoax pic going around that shows a black statue).

I could write a book on how manipulative, untrustworthy, deceitful, hypocritical, and scandalous SJWs are yet I agree with this sentiment. The thing you have to remember is that there's a lot of good ideals SJWs hide behind to push their bad ones--this is the main reason they have any power at all. Not every position someone has that is shared with an SJW makes them an SJW, nor does it make them "the bad guy" by default.

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[–] BoiseNTheHood [S] 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Have we ever, as a country, apologized for slavery?

Yes. The House of Representatives officially apologized in 2008, and the Senate followed suit in 2009.

You'd think Bernie would have remembered this, since he was in the fucking Senate at the time and co-sponsored the resolution (S.Con.Res. 26). But SJWs aren't exactly known for their adherence to facts and the truth if they go against The Narrative.

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[–] OleDixie 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Unfortunately that's entirely wrong; Bernie appeals to political handicapped white liberals with white collar jobs more than a lot of people.

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[–] nomenimion 15 points 33 points (+48|-15) ago 

Considering that slavery existed at the time, I really don't have a problem with Bernie's statement.

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[–] causuistry 2 points 17 points (+19|-2) ago 

I don't think the principles of 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness', and 'all men are created equal' are racist. I think the fact that these principles were not applied equally to people in the US at the time is.

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[–] BoiseNTheHood [S] 9 points 5 points (+14|-9) ago 

Bernie's statement implies that the principles themselves are racist. If he doesn't actually think so, then maybe he should have emphasized the far-from-perfect execution of those principles.

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[–] Kaizervonmaanen 4 points 3 points (+7|-4) ago 

I don't think the principles of 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness', and 'all men are created equal' are racist.

They only meant white people, nobody who uttered 'all men are created equal' included niggers in that statement. They considered negroes to be the same as cattle.

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[–] Sir-Real 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Remember that "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" was originally "life, liberty, and property" of which slaves were considered property.

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[–] bannana 4 points -3 points (+1|-4) ago 

'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness', and 'all men are created equal' are racist

What's racist is that neither of those statement applied to everyone, only a select few.

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[–] BoiseNTheHood [S] 26 points 8 points (+34|-26) ago  (edited ago)

You know where else slavery existed? The Soviet Union, long after it was abolished in America. The USSR was also virulently racist. Racism is still common in Russia even today.

This is the same USSR that Bernie took his wife to on their honeymoon. The same USSR whose flag hung on the wall of Bernie's office during his time as mayor of Burlington. Apparently, slavery and racism are perfectly fine with Bernie when a socialist country is doing it.

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[–] tonycongo 20 points 16 points (+36|-20) ago 

Does it really matter whether or not it existed in other places as well?

Also, god forbid someone visit the "USSR."

The red scare is back folks.

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[–] let_them_eat_slogans 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

You know where else slavery existed? The Soviet Union, long after it was abolished in America.

This is a link about forced labour for prisoners. You know where else that is still legal? America.

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[–] wuziwu 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

i know i'm like yeah that what happen. It was a lot of racism against people of different races, religions and nationalities.

It was pretty horrible in the beginning.

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[–] sodalis 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago  (edited ago)

HOW DARE YOU ADDRESS HISTORY FACTUALLY? VOAT IS THE RACIST REDDIT, AND SWJ'S ARE THE EVILIST THING IN THE UNIVERSE! <Insert racist screed here>

WAKE UP SHEEPLE! HURR DURR! OBAMA=MOOSLIM!

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[–] sinsaint 6 points 20 points (+26|-6) ago 

Even Abraham Lincoln was on the fence for abolishing slavery, treating it more like a bargaining chip than a question of morality, and he's recognized as one of our best presidents.

Our America was built, at least partially, on slave labor. It took us almost 100 years to realize that using a race for slave labor was wrong. And I'm sure the ideology of populating America would have looked a lot less profitable if free labor wasn't an option.

To pretend that our forefathers were perfect is just dumb.

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[–] BoiseNTheHood [S] 10 points 11 points (+21|-10) ago  (edited ago)

Canadians should be the last ones talking about racist laws.

The 15th Amendment was ratified in America in 1870. In contrast, Chinese and Indian residents couldn't vote in Canada until 1947. Japanese residents couldn't vote until 1948. Native Americans had to give up their "native" status under the law if they wanted to vote until 1960.

The Brown v. Board decision was reached in 1954. In contrast, Canada's last segregated school was finally closed in 1983. Their last government-run residential school didn't close its doors until 1996.

While African-Americans suffered under Jim Crow laws, First Nations people were suffering under legal segregation in Canada at the same time.

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[–] CaptDumb 5 points 5 points (+10|-5) ago 

To pretend that this website can give clear unbiased articles is just dumb.

It took me a moment to find something about this website (since I see it more on /v/politics) and it is a website targeted for conservatives.

I agree with you.

And don't get me started on the comments section of the article. That shit is crazy.

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[–] One_Wing_Angel 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

True, true, and true.

But Bernie didn't say any of those things. He said that the principles that America was founded on were racist.

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Even Abraham Lincoln was on the fence for abolishing slavery, treating it more like a bargaining chip than a question of morality, and he's recognized as one of our best presidents.

Slavery was never outlawed (read the fucking 14th Amendment again) and Lincoln didn't free the slaves because he wanted negros to have freedom. Only absolute abolitionists deserve the credit for being against slavery.

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[–] BoiseNTheHood [S] 15 points 18 points (+33|-15) ago 

Anyone who thinks that life, liberty, property, and the rule of law are "racist principles" isn't fit to be elected dog-catcher, let alone president.

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[–] Charlie_Prime 3 points 15 points (+18|-3) ago 

Don't worry.

Anyone who thinks that life, liberty, property, and the rule of law are valid principles cannot be elected POTUS.

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[–] fuck_communism 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Bernie Sanders is a fucking moron who couldn't hold a job until he was elected mayor of tiny Burlington, VT (pop 38,000 when he was elected). Now, after one term in the Senate, representing the second smallest state in the country, he thinks he is qualified to be President. He's a cretin, as are his supporters. The profound ignorance of American history displayed by them here appalls, but, sadly, does not surprise me.

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[–] 2430010? 4 points 4 points (+8|-4) ago 

Alone, those aren't racist principals. The possibility of African slaves being freed and constitutionally entitled to those rights was shot down, so there's definitely a racist context.

Saying America grew and developed under racist principals is a much different story.

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[–] fat_pony 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Because they couldn't afford a fight with the south. There were many founders who were in anti slavery groups, but they couldn't do anything about it at the time.

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[–] 1010011010 5 points 3 points (+8|-5) ago 

The extensive rules about apportionment explaining that slaves only counted as 3/5ths of a person might be a problem for this argument that "life, liberty, and the rule of law" was intended to apply equally to everyone.

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[–] ez2typ 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

The principles are unassailable. The implementation was flawed, and it is the responsibility of each generation to uphold the principles and improve the implementation.

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[–] BoiseNTheHood [S] 6 points 3 points (+9|-6) ago 

That was a matter of policy, not principles. It was a compromise made to get the Constitution ratified under the mistaken assumption that slavery would become obsolete quicker than it did. And last I checked, the 9th, 13th, and 19th Amendments guarantee that everyone shares in our founding principles.

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[–] WatDabney 6 points 7 points (+13|-6) ago 

See though... there's a problem with this.

America really was founded on racist principles - not least of which was the principle that a black person was rightly considered someone else's property.

There are all sorts of legitimate ways in which one might try to counter this bit of SJW nonsense, but pretending that a nation that had racist principles actually written into its constitution when it was founded was not founded on racist principles is not one of them.

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[–] One_Wing_Angel 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago  (edited ago)

I have to disagree.

I cannot think of any founding principles which are racist. A lot of the Founders were slave owners and racists, but that is very different from saying that their principles are racist.

I think that the Dec of Ind. and Constitution were deliberately written in such a way to propound principles of equality, and I include the 3/5ths clause in that assessment. It was very carefully drafted to avoid describing slavery as a constitutional right.

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[–] WatDabney 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Yes - it was indeed written to propound principles of equality, but then it went out of its way to specify the "equality" of "free persons" and deny the "equality" of "all other persons," granting them only 3/5 "equality."

That was explicit. That was deliberate. That was, therefore, a principle upon which the nation was founded.

It's also, notably, a principle that the federal government then renounced and overturned. As I already noted, there are any number of ways to argue against the implications of Sanders' statement, and I'd say that that's the most obvious one. But the fact remains that that principle - an indisputably racist one - was a part of the foundation of the nation.

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[–] OleDixie 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Good lord! I want to give the guy a listening chance, but he keeps saying some of the most ridiculous shit.

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