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[–] Onlio 1 points 84 points (+85|-1) ago 

NO ONE ever challenges this statement when it is said. perhaps when people utter this "fact" it should be addressed at that moment instead of letting it go by.

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[–] sp00kygh0st 4 points 19 points (+23|-4) ago 

Fox News (The supposed bastion of right-wing politics) doesn't even call them out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29nxvJEZ3I4 starting at 2:15 a fat gross tumblrite utters that statistic and it goes unchallenged.

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[–] ShampocalypseWOW 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You're forgetting one simple fact: the vast majority of people are fucking idiots and don't even know that it's not true.

The ones who do are probably afraid to speak up about it because then they get called sexist.

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[–] ninja-joe 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Ought to get the real sexists to say something.

"Women, make as much as men, and that needs to change!" lol, maybe then they'd believe it, the rule is: as long as it offends them they'll believe it, right?

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[–] Engineerbiz 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

A lot of people are starting to get it. Even feminists on reddit have surprisingly pointed it out recently

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[–] Zaqwert 2 points 65 points (+67|-2) ago  (edited ago)

It's been debunked a million times, that hasn't stopped it.

It's a powerful piece of propaganda used for political purposes, the fact that it's not true is irrelevant to the people who talk about it.

The media repeats this lie every chance it gets and the politicians who know it's a lie never say such out of fear of the shit they'll catch.

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[–] jnrandoms 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

got it

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[–] Keftedes89 11 points 30 points (+41|-11) ago 

Yea that's one of the major reasons I will never vote for him. You never propagate myths like that just for votes. No smart man would believe this.

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[–] CowWithBeef 2 points 14 points (+16|-2) ago 

When something reinforces a human's beliefs, less scrutiny is applied.

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[–] LostUnderTheMountain 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

this has nothing to do with any political 2016 race. WTF are you talking about?

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[–] akornblatt 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

No smart man....

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[–] RedSocks157 2 points 15 points (+17|-2) ago 

It's such a shame too. I like the way he sticks to his guns, but then he goes around peddling this bullshit.

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[–] destinthegreat 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Whos the next choice anyway? Seriously are people here all considering Donald Trump for President.

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[–] xqvn 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

Got some Bernie supporters on your tail there.

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[–] GenellanBound 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You can find the Consad Report online.

IIRC it ends up around 5% difference once they have thrown in some really obvious and easy to measure differences.

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[–] 123_456 3 points 42 points (+45|-3) ago 

For every 100 words a woman says, a man only gets to say 77.

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[–] jakeinator21 1 points 23 points (+24|-1) ago 

I think you accidentally added a 7 at the end there.

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[–] OpinionOnEverything 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

A couple rather

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[–] FetusChrist 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That's generous

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[–] edistojim 5 points 30 points (+35|-5) ago 

If you pound away at something long enough and hard enough some dumbass will believe you. Same thing that happened here. Add in a good dose of feminists that absolutely love being victims and this is what you end up with. End of story. Further proof that the middle aged white male is the most discriminated against in society.

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[–] Zaqwert 1 points 46 points (+47|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I don't know if the "most" discriminated against applies, but I will say that white males are the easily the only people you are "allowed" to discriminate against at this point.

Hell, in fact it's encouraged and celebrated.

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[–] edistojim 1 points 22 points (+23|-1) ago 

My poor choice of words, you said it much better, thanks.

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[–] GADtheRAD 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

White males are the go to punching bags because there is little to no consequences for targeting them.

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[–] LostUnderTheMountain 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I'm a white male in colorado, I have never felt discriminated against. Can you tell me when you have had your race thrown in your face? or Something so I can understand your position.

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[–] edistojim 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Several years back before retiring , I was passed over for promotion that was for all intents and proposes was mine by a mile. I was told that I didn't meet the standard , they promoted a black male over me first, not as qualified for the position in terms of education or longevity, passed over again for a white female, once again by a black female that was a disaster for the position. I was actually told they HAD to promote them due to quotas. If thats not discrimination, I don't know what is.

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[–] milliamp 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

When you have an opinion that is different from a POC, they accuse you of holding that opinion because you are racist.
Lots of blacks I have met hold very racist views against whites and believe whites owe them.
In the corporate world, a white manager cannot fire or reprimand a black employee without being accused of racism.
Blacks in high ranking positions in some companies believe they should give hiring preference to blacks despite that not being the company policy.
In violence between blacks/whites, blacks are the offender 85% of the time.
Meet a white kid who grew up in a mostly black area, and you probably met someone who has been called racial slurs and assaulted for the color of their skin.

There are MASSIVE double standards about race in our society. Crimes only get national attention when a white person commits them against blacks but reverse the scenario and the media buries the details because they aren't politically correct. This creates a false idea by people who draw their opinions from the media about the actual reality of race in the united states.

Even in school kids are taught that whites are terrible people responsible for oppression and those narratives are oversimplified at best and at worst racist and wrong.

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[–] Strazdas 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

The term "Third world" is a Cold War term and implies nations not included in the US VS SSRS arms race. You cant really make countries third world. This term has gained some economic connotation due to those countries beiing out of the arms race mainly because they were poor, but the term really should be retired by now. Especially considering that economically some of them are eclipsing the so called first world.

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[–] idle_voating 3 points 20 points (+23|-3) ago 

That statement is half true. Women do earn 77 cents on the dollar compared to men, just not for the same work.

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[–] weezkitty 4 points 18 points (+22|-4) ago  (edited ago)

Then the comparison is irrelevant. It's not something that could be "fixed" unless men and women did equal amounts of the same work

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[–] DickHertz 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Men earn 77 cents on the dollar or less (or much less) compared to other men as well, just not for the same work.

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[–] Strazdas 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

No. Women get paid 77 % as much because they work 77% as much. They EARN the same.

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[–] SquarebobSpongebutt 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

Just for the record, the most comprehensive study, prepared for the Labor Department no less, of ALL factors that could be located showed approximately 5 cent wage gap. And it gets exactly no attention because it isn't enough for some.

http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf

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[–] fizzy88 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Actually, the major conclusion of that study was that the data available was not complete enough to consider all factors and reliably determine if there was any proportion of the observed gender wage gap that was attributable to discrimination against women.

From the conclusion:

In principle, the multiple counting could be eliminated by estimating the various proportions concurrently within a single comprehensive analysis that considers all of the factors simultaneously. Such an analysis is not feasible to conduct with the available data bases. Some factors, such as occupation and industry, require data for very large numbers of workers to represent adequately the detailed groupings of employees or employers that existing research indicates best describe the effects of the factors. Other factors, such as work experience and job tenure, require data that describe the behavior of individual workers over extended time periods. The longitudinal data bases that contain such information include too few workers, however, to support adequate analysis of factors like occupation and industry; whereas the cross-sectional data bases that include enough workers to enable analysis of factors like occupation and industry do not collect data on individual workers over long enough periods to support adequate analysis of factors like work experience and job tenure. Further, analysis of compensating wage adjustments generally requires data from several independent and, often, specialized sources.

As a result, it is not possible now, and doubtless will never be possible, to determine reliably whether any portion of the observed gender wage gap is not attributable to factors that compensate women and men differently on socially acceptable bases, and hence can confidently be attributed to overt discrimination against women. In addition, at a practical level, the complex combination of factors that collectively determine the wages paid to different individuals makes the formulation of policy that will reliably redress any overt discrimination that does exist a task that is, at least, daunting and, more likely, unachievable.

Basically, there is not enough data to account for the complexity of the situation and so it may never be possible to figure this out.

I think your "5 cent wage gap" (wherever in the study you saw it) did not get attention because it probably lacked the data needed to give it decent validity.

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[–] SquarebobSpongebutt 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I think your "5 cent wage gap" (wherever in the study you saw it) did not get attention because it probably lacked the data needed to give it decent validity.

And somehow the huge gaps have that? Doubtful.

Also, the 5 cents comes from this

Specifically, variables have been developed to represent career interruption among workers with specific gender, age, and number of children. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, and thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percen

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[–] Thegreatandpowerfulr 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I think it's pretty awesome you decided to read the paper yourself and not trust biased summaries, not sure why some random guy downvoted you.

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[–] conundrumbombs 4 points 3 points (+7|-4) ago 

I posted a document that includes this exact list, demonstrating that the article blatantly lies about the BLS not accounting for occupation. But it got downvoted to Hell. How are you getting away with it?

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[–] Strazdas 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Have they accounted for seniority, education level and skill (which earns bonuses in many places), though? Because all these have a significant impact on pay.

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[–] doktorseven 5 points 0 points (+5|-5) ago 

Oh look, a list that shows that the statement is true. What a concept.

This thread should be ashamed of its obvious misogynistic "we can distort facts to make that sound like bullshit and attack Bernie and anyone else that tells the truth" tactics. Women unjustly make less than men. End of argument.

Now let's fix it instead of bickering.

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[–] Strazdas 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

You are incorrect. Women do earn less, but not unjustly. They earn less because they are usually newwer employees (seniority matters), have lower education and skill level, work less hours, take more health related vacation time and whats actually quite important - are far less likely to accept overtime.

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