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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 0 points 30 points (+30|-0) ago 

This is good. We need to see the establishment broken down and rebuilt again.

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[–] Omnipresent 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

ANARCH-

I mean, yeah. Rebuild.

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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 3 points 9 points (+12|-3) ago 

Trust me, I'd love anarchy, but it would never work.

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[–] RoninSnowman 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

I think it would be fitting if either of these individuals won and then picked the other to be their vice president, wouldn't that be something.

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[–] didntsayeeeee 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Yes, combine the nationalism of Trump with the socialism of Sanders for some kind of new ideology we could call National Socialism.

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[–] President-Sanders 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Trump/Sanders against a Biden bid - I don't see that going well for Biden.

Trump 2016

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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's… glorious…

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[–] Fenrirwulf 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That is a very sane suggestion. I always wondered why the second runner up didn't become vice president.

It would be great if they could work together to come up with some moderate platform, but I don't really see Trump being that good at cooperation.

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[–] intrepiddemise 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm not understanding why Donald-goddamn-Trump gets the "anti-establishment" cred when Rand Paul doesn't. That makes no sense to me. Rand is on record repeatedly attacking the establishment and even his own party for cronyism and running roughshod over the Constitution. Trump risks nothing by going against his "party", yet he gets all the credit for going against it and Rand gets none.

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[–] Fenrirwulf 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The people that like Trump are there for entertainment. Those that think he will be able to do anything lack an understanding of how the political machine works.

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[–] explorevoat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Agree. Listen to the way they say "Populism" on TV. Like it is a Nazi philosophy. "Populism" just means government used for the majority of people.

Been Watching some cable news recently due to surgery - it is horrifying. Propaganda, selective coverage, Sanders Blackout from TV completely, Trump treated like a Nazi - with commentators suggesting he may cause a Genocide!

For the record President Eisenhower Deported 1.4 Million Illegals back when the government wanted to help all citizens, not just the elite, and all 1.4 million Illegal Aliens were delivered to South Mexico without a single person hurt and 96% never came back, after doing so, illegal immigration dropped by over 90% until the hippies wanted Utopia in the 1960s.

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[–] kurtznnj 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The American public generally, and rightlly, believes that the system is rigged against them. When a company, for example, can spend a couple million on lobbying Congress to get a tax break in the hundreds of millions you know the system is rigged. I do believe, however, that liberals and the Left have less of an argument.

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[–] pandabill 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

Bernie vs Trump would be awesome. Not the slightest chance for Trump not winning in that scenario.

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[–] 01011011101101 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

You really think a billionaire, who got rich with the status quo, is really going to change anything that helps the plight of the common man?

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[–] Primax 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

The value in Trump winning is that the establishment will be forced to do something about money in politics. If a billionaire can just come along and buy an election, they're not in control of the game anymore. They run the game and set the rules, and the rules will change "for the good of the people."

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[–] Echo_of_Savages 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

He's just going to get into office and use the government to make himself rich.

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[–] Kaizervonmaanen 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

is really going to change anything that helps the plight of the common man?

Not at all, but he is going to change stuff. Just like Bernie sanders he says what he means. It's going to be freaky to have someone in power that is not lying. Bernie sanders because he have always voted like he has said he would, he have always kept his promises. And Trump because he completely breaks with common assumtions. If he just wanted to win and play along with the others then he would have kept his mouth moderate and been a robot like the rest of the republicans. but he does not play by the rules.

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[–] Icarus2 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Love them, or not, they both say what's on their mind with no apologies. That's something I can appreciate.

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[–] ScreaminMime 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

How can Bernie be considered anti-establishment?

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[–] ShinyVoater 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

If you consider "establishment" as shorthand for "the factions currently in power", it makes more sense. The sitting politicians usually dance to their tune, while Bernie's build a broad base that does an end-run around them. Trump, meanwhile, seems to be either a player not favored by the current group or he's broken free of them for his own gain.

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[–] YourDumbWhat 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Neither of them are in the pocket of certain major donor groups. Financial contributions strongly impact policy.

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[–] ScreaminMime 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Isn't Bernie in Big Union's pocket?

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[–] zippo 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

A socialist and one of the richest people on the planet. Yep, totally anti-establishment.

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[–] brainbaobao 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Pretty sure NYT and the major news organizations are tied to hillary via big donors.

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[–] plumpton 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Does anyone here believe this anti-establishment crap?

Trump is a plutocrat, which America has a long history.

Sanders is a traditional Democrat.

How the fuck does the media call this anti-establishment?

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