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[–] cointelpro_shill 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

Yeah but he's expected to bitch slap one of them. Progressives are long engaged in the slap fight, but the GOP is looking at him all offended like they can't believe what just happened.

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[–] Maxcactus 1 points 31 points (+32|-1) ago 

As long as he doesn't need their funding they will have less control over him. Fortunately for him he is also leading in the polls and they can't cut him from the debates. It would be wrong to underestimate him.

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[–] Dumpsterjuice 8 points 28 points (+36|-8) ago 

I've said it before. I would much rather have Trump negotiating with Iran, Russia, Cuba than the team we currently have

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[–] NateThomas1979 31 points 16 points (+47|-31) ago  (edited ago)

No you wouldn't. Trump has no ability to negotiate. I'm not a fan of Democrats or Obama, but Trump if elected will usher in WW3 with his stupidity. He has zero foreign policy savvy. Zero.

EDIT: I see that Reddit is permeating our Voat again... check your downvotes at the door. Learn to use them to control the discussion not to show disagreement.

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[–] Poco 6 points 37 points (+43|-6) ago 

Trump has no ability to negotiate

You don't get into the position he is in without the ability to negotiate. Just because he sounds like a blowhard that always gets what he wants doesn't mean that there isn't a lot of negotiating going on in the back rooms to make his real estate deals work. He has even said as much if you look into it.

The concern would be that his willingness to make concessions in negotiations is probably inversely proportional to the power he thinks he has. The more power he has the more he can ignore other people's concerns and just demand what he wants. When negotiating foreign policy that is either a good thing or a bad thing. Do what I say because I'm the USA and will destroy you is powerful if you think he will follow through. Who wouldn't think he would follow through with that?

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[–] Marty_McFlew 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I disagree with your comment, but upvoated to counter others downvoats. Only because your comment does add to the discussion at hand.

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[–] PlayByPlayAnnouncer 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago  (edited ago)

You're getting downvoated because you're making ridiculous and clearly false claims.

To be clear, the statement,

Trump has no ability to negotiate.

is patently incorrect. That statement has a truth value of "incorrect", therefore, I downvoat you until you stop the hyperbole and start contributing to the dialogue.

And then let's compare it to who is negotiating: John Kerry. In another life, I worked for this man. I know first hand that he is bumbling nincompoop. I can think of 10 personal friends with more international experience in business and negotiating who would be more qualified, and that's not meant to talk up my friends. He's a dolt.

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[–] Firevine 3 points 16 points (+19|-3) ago 

That's a good little read. I love the path that Trump has taken, even if it is his own brand of political double speak. It's like, double double speak, so it cancels itself out or something. I don't know. I don't maths good.

Trump is turning out to be one of the few things I've disagreed with Neal Boortz on. Boortz has LONG said that the GOP needs a kick in the pants, and well, here it is, yet half of Boortz's Twitter feed is "If Trump is GOP candidate, prepare for Hillary". My ass. Don't sit here and say we need one thing, but when that thing arrives, say it's wrong. If the GOP is an ass, Trump is Red Forman.

Trump is showing America how much of a dog and pony show our politics are, and he's** thriving** for it. That makes me extremely hopeful that maybe, MAYBE something will actually change. Is he in it for himself? Of course he is. Every politician is in it for himself. He's being fearless though, and even if I don't agree, I like that. I lean more towards Jeb Bush when it comes to immigration, but I also feel like Bush is trying to play to too much of a crowd. What happens when anything at all ever tries to play to too much of a crowd? It sucks, miserably, and becomes generic and dull. I'm going to be honest, I fuckin' love immigrants. C'mon over, let the good guys prosper and have opportunities they wouldn't otherwise, and let the legal system sort out the bad guys. Bring food, because I like food. That said, I also appreciate Trump being a hardass and not pulling punches. It's the same reason I almost joined the Marines when they sent recruiters to my high school. "We're not going to promise you shit, it's going to be tough, and you're going to hate it." They almost got my signature right there because of that.

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[–] whynotanon1 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Should the legal system sort it out after they have already come here, committed crime, and become a part of our society and member of our prison system? Or should immigration sort it out, demand criminal record checks, education, employability, drug tests, blood tests for diseases. I've lived in South Korea for the past 3 years. My immigration visa requires a Bachelor's degree, requires a work contract, requires drug tests, and blood tests to screen for HIV/AIDS. I think when Trump says we aren't getting Mexico's best and brightest he's right. We are getting Mexico's desperate who will do anything to make a better life for themselves. Even if it means breaking the law, entering a country illegally and if they are willing to do that, whose to say they will respect our other laws?

I like the idea of immigration with selective requirements. I see the horror stories in Sweden with their massive refugee influx and all the problems it has created. You want to weed out the bad apples before they come, not after.

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[–] Firevine 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Should the legal system sort it out after they have already come here, committed crime, and become a part of our society and member of our prison system?

Yes. Come here and commit a felony, you get sent right back out. Happened to a friend of my family even. Got sent right back to England for drug trafficking.

Or should immigration sort it out, demand criminal record checks, education, employability, drug tests, blood tests for diseases.

Also yes, though I'd love to see a more streamlined, less bureaucratic approach. I grew up with a LOT of Hispanic immigrants, many of whom were "in the system" for more than a decade as resident aliens. We're not talking shlubs who hopped the fence to work as dishwashers either. I had a friend from El Salvador who's father was a prominent engineer, and she too became an engineer. She lived most of her life in the US by this point, in Georgia for years, yet still had to pay out of state fees to go to Georgia Tech. Clearly, a family that should be welcome in the US, yet they got jerked around by the system.

My immigration visa requires a Bachelor's degree, requires a work contract, requires drug tests, and blood tests to screen for HIV/AIDS.

One of the many reasons I laugh at people who call America "racist" for wanting tighter immigration laws. Our immigration laws are lax as fuck compared to most of the rest of the developed world.

We are getting Mexico's desperate who will do anything to make a better life for themselves. Even if it means breaking the law, entering a country illegally and if they are willing to do that, whose to say they will respect our other laws?

I understand your point, and I concede that to you, but I really WANT for these people to be able to make a better life for themselves, just as much as I'm happy to have Indian immigrants come over and be doctors and engineers, or even gas station and hotel owners. I've never been in the mind that they're "taking our jobs". Americans aren't clamoring and beating down doors to wash dishes and cut grass. As for the criminal element, at least in my experience, they're in the minority. Crime is everywhere, and everyone has criminals. Someone who is not going to respect laws is not going to respect laws wherever they live.

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[–] Empire_of_the_mind 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

i think if there's one thing we can say for sure it's that Hillary can't beat Trump. You'll note that Hillary's decline has coincided with Trump's rise. She could beat most of the clowns the GOP has up on stage but he is a perfect match-up for her. Expect Biden or Sanders to get the nom.

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[–] FormerDiggUser 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Sanders has my vote.

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[–] Imapopulistnow 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

What I find fascinating is that while Scott Adams must analse the tactics used by Trump, I will speculate that Trump does not even think of them. They are just a natural process that he has so refined over his life, they are now instinctual. And thus he can always land on his feet.

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[–] 33degree 17 points 14 points (+31|-17) ago  (edited ago)

Fuck this liberal shit. All I see are people saying "He's a clown", "His ideas are preposterous", "Here is how he's using mind tricks on you." Everyone is attacking the man and just ad hoccing his "bad ideas". If his ideas and his policies are so dumb and incoherent, why don't people write articles explaining why we need more illegal immigrants? Why don't they write articles about why Tariffs on China and Mexico won't work? Why aren't people taking on the ideas, just ad hoccing the man?

Trump just gets bigger and bigger with every dumb fucking liberal snark piece. There's no more critical thinking or well-thought out criticism, it's all just snarky jokes and looking down your nose at the other side. I like to call it "The Jon Liebowitz Effect".

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[–] SenorOcho 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Scott Adams is a liberal? That's news to me.

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[–] shirtlords 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago 

Lots of smart, talented people are liberals. Actually surprised to see someone as smart as Trump running for office...

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[–] abear 3 points 6 points (+9|-3) ago 

typical conservative that doesn't even bother to read the article but sure as shit has a god damn opinion about it!

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[–] Jokka 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

So, uh....What ARE his policies? I've yet to see him come out and actually state his ideas and back it up with anything other than hot air.For the record, I support deportation of illegal immigrants and higher tariffs on Asia. I can bitch and moan about raising taxes or deporting them all I want but until I have a plan nobody would listen to me, why Trump?

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[–] sedemon 3 points 11 points (+14|-3) ago 

Long and interesting read.

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[–] Aaaron 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah Scott Adams is great. I like how it remained mostly politically unbiased, it just pointed out his tactics. Definitely easier to look at the facts (and what facts are actually important!) once you understand the persuasion tactics at work.

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[–] FormerDiggUser 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I really don't understand the downvoats. Seriously Voat.

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[–] PiercingAjarDolphin 2 points 9 points (+11|-2) ago 

Honestly, I think the US system is broken, with neither party doing anything to improve the country. So I just want to see Trump win because it forms a perfect final symmetry: USA, the land that is essentially a big corporation, gets run by the most famous capitalist.

Everytime I read the news that his polls are showing better results, I'm morbidly fascinated. I want to see the really bad guys win for once.

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[–] Empire_of_the_mind 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

what's interesting is that Trump is actually far less "evil capitalist" than the people who area actually creating our fascist utopia. The big corporate multi-nationals run by empty, rotating suits, bloodthirsty and lacking in all personality traits aside from "asshole." Trump, meanwhile, runs a relatively small family business. You can't really attack him as a corporate fascist like say Mitt Romney, who also got a lot of credit for being creative in his corporate douchebaggery.

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[–] PiercingAjarDolphin 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago 

I don't think you need to be evil when you're a capitalist, it's kind of implied.

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[–] deathcomesilent 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Like seriously, whats Trump gonna do? Start a pointless war? Take out a trillion or three in debt? If he only did one of those things, he might actually be the best president the US had had in living memory. It's beyond morbid, but what the hell.

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[–] johnlocke90 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

His firmest policy stance has been to deport illegals, build a wall and eliminate anchor babies, so for me he is way above other politicians.

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[–] PiercingAjarDolphin 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Well, when in doubt, start a war. I'm sure someone has some weapons of ass, err.. MASS destruction lying about somewhere. Then for a plot twist, he can announce that he's appointing Hillary Clinton as the new director of the new PATR10T NSA program.

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[–] the_spectre 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

This post is on fucking point. Trump is a genius manipulator.

And by that I mean he is very good at persuasion. This article breaks it down without taking too much of an ideological line. It's actually very factual and straightforward as rhetorical analysis goes. Thanks OP.

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