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[–] RedSocks157 22 points 52 points (+74|-22) ago 

Sigh. Bernie, why do you have to be so right about some things but so wrong about other things?

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[–] pocketForceNapkin 6 points 73 points (+79|-6) ago 

I believe it is called being human.

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[–] sergeantslate 6 points 38 points (+44|-6) ago 

Seriously. "Sanders has a lot of good points but he said something I disagreed with so he lost my vote entirely ".

I think you might be surprised with some of the other viable candidates....

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[–] RumbledFeathers 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

If bernie makes it into office, cucklord sanders

https://i.imgur.com/ZKGjI2t.jpg

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[–] wholewheat 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

Could you provide some examples to support your claim?

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[–] RedSocks157 19 points 44 points (+63|-19) ago  (edited ago)

  • He keeps trumpeting into the wage gap, it's been one of his main stump-speech points recently. It has been proven unequivocally false in just about every statistical manner available.

  • He let himself be cowed by the BLM idiots who hijacked his rallies.

Those are my two major sticking points with Bernie right now. I like his populist style and his rhetoric against the big banks/Wall St. But as long as he is out there pushing the wage gap shit especially, I just can't vote for him. It's a blatant lie that has been repeatedly debunked, and it's supporters are like the liberal version of anti-vaxxers. No amount of science or statistical analysis will convince them that it's false, even though it was only supported by a single study that has long since been discredited. It's a major sign or him being unintelligent.

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[–] Rummel 7 points 24 points (+31|-7) ago 

He truly believes in the wage gap myth, for one.

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[–] markrod420 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Hes a raging fucking socialist and is going to destroy our already struggling economy. Hes a fucking SJW. An SJW has no business being president. We need logical actions not good feels.

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[–] weezkitty 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

No candidate is perfect. The best we can do is pick the best one

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[–] selpai 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

What don't you like about him?

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[–] followingfilms 2 points 25 points (+27|-2) ago  (edited ago)

It's not the first time anyone has floated this idea but unfortunately it will never happen. The more opportunity given for citizens to vote the more likely they will vote for real change and that means we could fuck up/improve the whole system. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I do believe politicians act mainly in their own self interest and spend little time concerned with the will of the people they represent.

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[–] AKnightAlone 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago 

I'm not a conspiracy theorist

This really doesn't need to be said.

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[–] NeutralObserver 1 points 18 points (+19|-1) ago 

This isn't Reddit, you don't need to check your independent thought privilege before posting.

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[–] ScottRockview 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Posting "I'm not a conspiracy theorist" is just getting ready for when conspiracy theorists are deemed insurgents/terrorists/enemies of the state.

Also, being a conspiracy theorist used to be reserved as a name for people who proposed certain far flung ideas (illegal government activity, alien life cover ups etc). Now, that label is quickly flung around for saying something like "being overweight is unhealthy".

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[–] redikulous 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Thank you, every time I read that statement I cringe.

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[–] anonomale 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I think things are gradually improving, savvy politicians are starting to get their heads around how the internet generally works and now realize that, with the access to information people have, it is now in their best interest to do their best in representing their constituents. Look at Corey Booker, the man acted like he was god-damned superman when he was the mayor of Newark. I'm too cynical to think that all of that stuff was pure altruism, he was definitely aware that it gave him a lot of goodwill from voters (that he used to get himself into the Senate), but at a certain point who gives a shit about someone's internal motivations if the end result is that they're always acting in the public's interest in order to secure and hold on to a position of power. So, cautiously optimistic about stuff. It'd be nice if most of the old guard would drop dead so that we could get some fresh blood in things, but it'll happen with time.

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[–] Racer_the_observer 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

"Do their best to represent their constituents" Unless it means giving up insider trading or auditing the federal reserve, or auditing the pentagon or stopping the drug war or doing away with citizens united or...or...should I go on?

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[–] Cheburashka 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I think elected politicians are very likely to support the idea that everything is fine as it is now. They were elected under the current system and clearly they don't think of themselves as being a bad choice.

So in their logic: I - as a good person - got elected. Therefore the system works.

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[–] Upvoats_McGoats 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This is why we'll never see meaningful reform of any kind. Why would the people in power give up power? Much stricter term limits would help remove these unremoveable incumbents and lifers. Approval Voting Systems would help greatly with the issue of the two party system. National Popular Vote Interstate Compact would help greatly with the bullshit swing states and how much money has to be raised and spent by politicians running for President.

Who makes these ideas into a reality? Those in power who have absolutely nothing to gain by allowing them to go through. They won't happen in my lifetime, to be sure.

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[–] bfriend13 24 points 23 points (+47|-24) ago  (edited ago)

How does this help? Your core voters already have the day off, since they are unemployed for the most part.

And I'm pretty sure Federal employees vote Democrat already. I guess it does limit the harm if they aren't at work.

Ok kidding aside, who wants to see Sanders vs. Trump? Total entertainment.

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[–] TurpenoidFever 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Sanders v Trump would be great entertainment for sure. I think both speak pretty openly about the way the system currently runs and aren't trying to be PC about it. I laughed my ass off when Trump was talking about yes he pays off politicians and it works. Something we all know, but few people speak openly about. Also noteworthy was that the other candidates didn't refute him on it. Trump speaking this way puts the other candidates in awkward situations, again which I think is great.

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[–] katara 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Now I really want to see this happen, consequences be damned. Can you imagine how epic the presidential debates would be?! Say what you will about their political leanings, these two don't hold back (much).

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[–] EllenPaosEgo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The other candidates didn't just not refute him on it, some of them straight asked for those bribes on stage and laughed about it.

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[–] basotl [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

In some circumstances Federal Employees can already get time off to vote if the polls aren't open long enough around their schedule. http://federalsoup.com/Articles/2012/10/10/OPM-posts-policy-for-excused-absence-for-voting.aspx

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[–] Vagilante 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

federal employees make up a really small group of the voting population though. The call for voting day off is because most workers in private industry do not get enough time to actually vote. Mix in not having a car and having to commute to a voting center and potentially waiting in line for over two hours and it's a huge driver as to why many americans do not vote. A lot of my friends are in jobs that are not flexible to this and so they just dont vote. makes me sad.

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[–] sfshilo 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

You statement is so false it is on fire.

The poor do not "have the day off". They work the shit jobs, they work night shifts, they work two jobs.

You sir are an asshole.

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[–] bfriend13 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I'm fairly sure with a labor participation rate of 62% a good chunk of Democrat voters have the day off, everyday.

So what are you doing to help the poor get better jobs? I sure hope you want to cut off immigration and get rid of illegals. All that imported labor sure doesn't help the workforce.

Yes, I'm an a-hole but at least I will admit it.

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[–] rastan 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

And how many senior citizens vote? I imagine more Republicans have that day off than Democrats who support Sanders.

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[–] bfriend13 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Democrats don't get old too? There are problems with relying on older voters - they have a habit of kicking the bucket. The difficulty for the Democrats in Florida is all their old voters who move to Florida die off and need to be replaced by a fresh cohort from the Northeast.

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[–] Ellius 5 points 18 points (+23|-5) ago 

This guy just gets better and better.

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[–] Alexwo1 4 points 11 points (+15|-4) ago 

Have you seen his economic policies? Deficit spending is going to put us in the shiter

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[–] blastingwhitenoise 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

I think if he had his way, taxes would go way up (especially on the wealthy).

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[–] OrangePaper7 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Can i ask how?

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[–] lasercow 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

deficit spending is extremely far from the main concern we are facing.

virtually every major fiscal crisis since GWB was elected president has been a Manufactured panic facilitated by big lie ideology.

the main think restraining our economy over the past 7 years has been a lack of appropriate government stimulus and investment.

you know what is really going to put us on the shitter? student loans are sucking the capital (lifeblood) out of our educated workforce strangling upward mobility and entrepreneurship.

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[–] malmad 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Only if Congress approves of his policies.

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[–] Rummel 14 points -2 points (+12|-14) ago  (edited ago)

And his supporters keep getting dumber and dumber offering nothing but one liners like "FEEL TEH BERN" and other empty feel good comments.

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[–] Groomzilla 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Just look at his record

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[–] NapoleonComplex 3 points 12 points (+15|-3) ago 

This is not a good idea for someone trying to get votes from the working class. This is the list of Federal Holidays in the US and the people who work these days are in the service industry and emergency services. Waiters, chefs, and cashiers (and firefighters and police, etc) will all be hugely disadvantaged by this.

In my opinion the better option would be Election Week spanning from Monday through Saturday giving people ample opportunity to find a time to vote.

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[–] FilmMakingShitlord 4 points 4 points (+8|-4) ago 

Wouldn't an election week make it easier to commit voter fraud?

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[–] NapoleonComplex 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

I don't think so, but please explain your reasoning; I'm curious.

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[–] DrIndustry 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

since the year 2000 10 cases of in person voter fraud have taken place. roughly 129,235,000 people voted in the last presidential election. if we assume that all 10 of those cases of in person voter fraud took place in 2012, and that all voting takes place in person. then .00000007% of votes are fraudulent if you then assume that the same amount of voter fraud takes place over each day then .00000047% of votes are fraudulent. on the other hand there have been 2,068 cases of voter fraud in person and mail in. So there for there had been 2058 cases of mail in voter fraud assuming there is only in person and mail in. using the same number of voters as before 0.00001592447% of votes are fraudulent. that number is over 1000 times as bad as the other number but still as far as i call tell not a big deal. Now time for me to get on my soapbox, if these numbers are true and i believe they are because they come from more then one source that means the push for voter ID laws must have been to stop some people from voting.

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[–] SquarebobSpongebutt 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Nah. Probably make it easier to enforce the law since there would not be so much pressure to get everyone through in one day. Problem is that many places already have weeks of early voting and still election day is a mess. Even though I keep up with things I still sometimes realize that I missed early voting because I was waiting on a particular debate or did not take the time to make up my mind early enough. Although making it nationwide might mean they would also do all debates before it started.

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[–] CatNamedJava 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Not really voter fraud doesnt really happen at the polls. It usually shows up as robocalls telling people the wrong day to vote

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[–] cwt 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Waiters, chefs, and cashiers (and firefighters and police, etc) will all be hugely disadvantaged by this.

How would making the day a holiday be any worse for them than the current situation?

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[–] CatNamedJava 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

More people off work so more service staff is needed

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[–] SquarebobSpongebutt 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It probably won't make it any worse for them, but it also wont make it any better. Federal Holidays don't mean everyone is off work for even part of the day. My office is never closed for 24 hours straight. The only time we are closed for more than 1 shift is Thanksgiving and Christmas and even then our second shift folks come in the afternoon of those days and work and they only have a short shift the day before. Our night shift gets the night before off and works that night.

Although I guess there is an argument that these particular groups of people would have an extra burden on their professions if lots of other people were off work meaning they would wind up with less time to vote.

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[–] FilmMakingShitlord 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Because most states already require employers to give you 2 hours off to vote. Federally changing that would make it so low-paying jobs wouldn't have to anywhere.

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[–] NapoleonComplex 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

It wouldn't make there situation worse in an absolute sense but it would make a difference in the relative sense when compared to regular 9-5ers. 9-5ers will get a disproportionate voting advantage over these the workers which in the end does them a disservice.

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[–] TexasComments 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

We have two weeks of early voting ...

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[–] 1Sorry_SOB 5 points 10 points (+15|-5) ago  (edited ago)

Bernie "It's Free!" Sanders now offering free day off work.

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[–] miistahmojo 3 points 6 points (+9|-3) ago 

With Bernie, everyday would be a holiday!

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[–] JustCallMeCam 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I can see it now, "Bernie Sanders introduces legislation to give everyone 1 year paid vacation; lower class outraged, says does not go far enough"

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[–] mcwilshire 10 points 7 points (+17|-10) ago  (edited ago)

"As part of a group of proposals, the senator has also proposed legislation that automatically registers eligible citizens to vote when they turn 18 years old."

Basically the angle is to get more low information, apathetic voters into the voting booth. While I'm sure this will help Democrats' results at the polls, and I'm sympathetic to the idea of making Election Day a national holiday, I'm not sure how bringing the dredges of the electorate into the country's decision making process is going to help anything at all.

Democracy is a means to an end. It's not an end in itself.

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[–] anonagent 1 points 24 points (+25|-1) ago 

all this "oh noez they won't vote the way I want them to!!" shit is fucking retarded. they're just as entitled to vote as you are.

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[–] Absolem 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Probably unpopular idea here.

If you don't know jack fucking shit about how government or law works, are you really as entitled to vote as someone who does? I mean yes, you are entitled, but should you be?

I realize this is like contrary to the philosophy of democracy but shrug.

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[–] anonomale 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

The dredges of the electorate are the majority of the electorate. Low information and apathetic seems less harmful at least than low information and highly motivated.

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago 

I don't think you can describe someone who has to be automatically registered to vote as "highly motivated."

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[–] RockAndNoWater 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The end is that everyone is represented, including "low information, apathetic" people... So that they don't get frustrated by not being represented and up rioting or trying to overthrow the government through non-democratic means.

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[–] mcwilshire 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Well they have the option to vote now and don't care enough to use it, so I'd say we're already getting as much mileage out of it in that regard as we can expect.

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[–] mcwilshire 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

They already have the opportunity. There is no benefit in holding people's hands to the voting booth.

Being an informed voter already takes far more effort than showing up at the polls once every two to four years. If you can't make the effort to show up at the polls now, then I think that's just as well.

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[–] thuglas 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Says what you will about the tenets of socialism but at least this dude is willing to stand up for basic democracy

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[–] lasercow 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

thuglastic

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