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[–] KhuanZi 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

To clarify. He actively supports excluding transwomen from women's spaces. He's anti-trans. He lies and pretends that transwomen aren't women, which they are.

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[–] o_V_o 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

This was initially my closing paragraph, but I figured it would be more effective up front: This is coming from a left-handed male raised by women that has occasionally dressed up in women's clothes since before he was able to walk and that, until his 30s, was on the effeminate side of the physical spectrum, and doesn't believe that "gay" or "straight" is really even a biological reality (it's just an expression of what that individual is comfortable with... like saying you prefer Pepsi over Coke). Don't think you can characterize me as means of dismissing what I've said.

KhuanZi: He lies ||| pretends that transwomen aren't women

How are those two things connected?

KhuanZi: which they are.

Yeah... no. (this argument is just as solid as yours... as long as you don't whip out a "I'm rubber, you're glue", I think were at a stalemate).


Why are you anti-evolution? Why do you cling to magical belief systems that require faith (and are only defended with emotion)? Sexual reproduction and male/female dichotomy are results of evolution. Evolution doesn't make mistakes, only advantageous or disadvantageous variations on a theme. You can't be in the "wrong" body, because you weren't "meant" to be anything. To believe such a thing essentially requires one to also believe they were created with a purpose. You are only meant to be whatever it is that you are. (WOW... what a negative outlook!!!)

You are more than just a brain — you're a brain permanently housed within a body which contains glands (endocrine system) which control the development of both... which is wholly dependent on genetic influence. How one feels about themselves is dependent on outside influences (whether it be through personal experience or observation of a 3rd party) and has very little connection to what they actually are.

Don't you find it odd that on one hand we have the "fat acceptance" movement saying that you are fine the way you are, then on the other we have the trans movement saying you need a "diet" (of hormones) and surgery to feel "normal".

Seems like society as a whole would benefit if these two groups swallowed their pride long enough to swap belief systems.

  • You feel like a woman even though you have a penis? That's fine... you're perfect the way you are. (Living as a woman makes you more comfortable? OK... but you're not a woman)

  • You're obese and won't do anything to combat it? That's not fine... you need surgery and self-control (Living at that size makes you more comfortable? OK... that's not gonna last very long, and don't expect anyone to feel sorry for you)


So, just to clarify my own stance. I have no problem with trans-people. I just won't go along with their delusion. They are free to do with their body whatever they wish. What do I care? To claim that this position is "anti-trans" is about as logical as saying that someone who supports marriage equality is "anti-gay" simply because they don't believe they were born "that way".


(And while I'm on the topic: It's also interesting how one can transition between sexes by temporarily overriding their endocrine system, but one's sexual preferences (key word) can never transition with life experience)

(Bonus: "born that way" was merely a way of getting around the church's stance that it was a "choice"... this entire belief structure is solely influenced by the church trying to keep its numbers up (gay sex doesn't produce new followers/tithers), not science... and while I may not entirely agree with it being a choice (is your favorite color a "choice"?), it's ironic how that's the more liberal (in the literal sense) stance to take.

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[–] KhuanZi 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

But more seriously. Let's start here:

Sexual reproduction and male/female dichotomy are results of evolution.

There is not a male female dichotomy. That would mean there are only two choices, which is blatantly false. So the basis of your entire argument is nonsense. That makes your argument complete nonsense. Try again.

Of course, you've also completely ignored gender, conveniently. Because the only way your position makes sense is if there is no biological aspect to gender separate from sex.

So, just to clarify my own stance. I have no problem with trans-people. I just won't go along with their delusion.

What complete and utter bullshit. If you think they're delusional then you have a problem with them. You're openly calling them shitty people and then claiming you aren't anti-trans. You have to be this disingenuous or you'd have to just admit you don't like trans people.

To claim that this position is "anti-trans" is about as logical as saying that someone who supports marriage equality is "anti-gay" simply because they don't believe they were born "that way".

No it's the equivalent of saying the gay people are delusional, like you said about trans people.

And the reality is that you are anti-trans in every way. You literally don't think they exist. You think that some group of people who is like trans people exists, but not actual trans people. Just like Jensen.

P.S. I was just joking about the lefty thing. Unless you're also a red head.

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[–] KhuanZi ago 

I'm also with you on the "born this way" vs "choice" thing in regards to sexual preference. I think its probably somewhere in between there. It also shouldn't matter whether it's a choice or not. If I make a choice to be gay then there's no reason not to respect that choice.

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[–] KhuanZi 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Oh god, a lefty, never mind.