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[–] Cid 4 points -2 points (+2|-4) ago 

Honestly, who cares if there's fraud? It's not like our votes are what gets people elected (in presidential elections). We all vote to tell the electors who we want, but they are under no obligation to vote based on the popular results. Not only that but with the way the electors are dived up among the states it's not even like everyone's vote is equal. This isn't democracy.

I just don't see the point in complaining about cheating a broken system. My priorities are different I guess.

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[–] cwt ago  (edited ago)

It's not like our votes are what gets people elected (in presidential elections). We all vote to tell the electors who we want, but they are under no obligation to vote based on the popular results.

There have been 9 faithless electors in the last hundred years, and none have affected the outcome of the election. That means about 99.93% of the time, they vote for the candidate they are pledged to. Seems like an odd thing to get worked up about.

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[–] Cid 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

It exists that way and that's enough. There's also the issue of elector distribution among the states leading to people in some states having a vote that is worth more than others in other states. It's not that I don't care about fraud, I would just rather have an honest system first.

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[–] Cid ago 

I'm not apathetic, I just care more about having an honest system more than people cheating the shit we have now. It's called priorities, not apathy. I even said that in my original post. It's like we need major surgery but people are more concerned with a treating the flu.

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[–] Boredhermit ago 

I would like to add to this, because I feel the same way. Where does it state that the "electors" have to vote based on "the peoples" vote?

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[–] Cid ago 

Where does it state that the "electors" have to vote based on "the peoples" vote?

Nowhere. Don't get me wrong, they will almost always certainty vote the way the people want, and there's very very few cases where they didn't, but the fact it exists this way leaves an opening for potential corruption and exploitation at the cost of democracy. That's a dangerous exploit to leave unfixed, especially with the direction America has gone and with how little power the people actually have.