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[–] flyawayhigh 13 points 76 points (+89|-13) ago  (edited ago)

Sanders manages to demonstrate a hodgepodge of nativist, nationalist, protectionist, and socialist sentiments.

This is the criticism of some ideological purist who expects and supports a sudden total transformation to a simplistic and idealized system that could never work -- not to mention the impossibility of transition itself -- whether that be capitalism, communism, nationalism, socialism, etc. All ideologies are bad and some are worse than others.

Despite the "socialist" label here, what Bernie is actually exhibiting is practicality. I know practicality is complicated, and it seems to be some sort of confusion or hypocrisy to the simplistic ideological purists. But all it means is we look at the world and make changes that will actually work to achieve goals -- situation by situation -- without some cloud of ideological bias overlaying everything.

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[–] flyboy88 8 points 9 points (+17|-8) ago 

I love you

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[–] syllovespan 4 points 7 points (+11|-4) ago 

Well put, thank you.

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This is the criticism of some ideological purist who expects and supports a sudden total transformation to a simplistic and idealized system that could never work.

More accurately, it's the criticism of someone who recognises a really dangerous mixture of dodgy political ideas when they see one.

There is nothing practical about protectionism when it comes to economics. It's bad for everyone involved, even, eventually, the ones being protected from competition.

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[–] HappyExile 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago 

What the hell are you talking about? Being pragmatic means you belief in unlimited government power? How? One thing does not follow from the other.

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[–] HighlandValley 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Government works because the ideologues are always pulling against each other, and eventually they compromise. We want a slow, clunky, inefficient government that struggles to get things done. Governments that can get things done will only ever grow exponentially and take away freedoms.

Someone whose ideology is pragmatism is essentially saying that they want "progress," however arbitrary that is. They're quick to compromise and they just want to pass bills to apparently tick items off their list. I don't know what law of nature says that government needs to be some sort of evolving beast - the scope of the government of the late 1700s was generally fine. Yes, they got some things totally wrong (slavery, westward expansion), but the size of the operation didn't show a self-evident need for "progress." If "all men are created equal" was taken to include blacks, natives, and women, there was nothing obviously lacking such that we'd definitely end up with the same type of government we have now.

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