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[–] i_yam_wat_i_yam 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

No one was ever decent.

The history of human civilization is a strict set of enforced social codes to keep people from acting like animals.

You're proposing that indecent people created these codes. This makes no sense. If they were truly indecent, they would be promoting their indecency. How many evil men that you've seen codify morality?

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[–] Glipglup 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Nobody believes they are truly evil. Some gang bangers cut people apart with a chainsaw but then get upset if you mistreat kids. Nobody is really truly evil, in a sense, they just have fucked up moral systems but nature doesn't care about morals, only survival. Empathy is a survival mechanism, nothing more.

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[–] i_yam_wat_i_yam 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

If I choose to enslave and rape one of your female relatives to make them produce my children, don't be outraged. It's just a survival strategy.

Same for the Jews. All the lying and deception, the theft and enslavement is just a survival strategy.

You make a relativist judgement by saying;

Nobody is really truly evil, in a sense.

Then immediately contradict it with an absolutist moral judgement;

...they just have fucked up moral systems...

Adding "in a sense" doesn't make it non-contradictory. You have two sets of moral codes that are in conflict:

  1. All is fair as long as it's for survival

  2. All is not fair because there is a clear distinction between right and wrong in the case of survival.

Either it's not fucked up to survive no matter what, or it's fucked up to live only for survival.

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[–] Tallest_Skil ago 

If they were truly indecent, they would be promoting their indecency.

Take one look at society.

How many evil men that you've seen codify morality?

Have you read the Talmud? Or walked outside? Come on, man.

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[–] i_yam_wat_i_yam 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Don't twist my words. You know what I mean.

How can an evil man promote good? Your argument is incoherent.