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[–] distortedlines 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Is there anything about his views that you disagree with?

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[–] reed 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I'm not trying to be a dickhead here, please believe that.

My primary problems w/ the Paul's is with their ideology of privatization. They've made public statements to the effect that they believe everything that possibly can be, should be privatized. The public school system. Social security. Regulatory agencies. Personally, that seems... well, absurd.

As for the NSA thing, I'm convinced that was just a show. Complete theatre. The only thing Paul stood up to was the collection of phone records, and the courts have recently given that authority back to the NSA. It took a matter of weeks.

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[–] sarmad3000 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Out of interest do you also agree on his view of reducing business tax rates?

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[–] Rommel79 ago 

I think that makes some sense, actually. We have the highest business tax rates in the world. Lower the rates and encourage companies to bring money back home rather than leaving it overseas to avoid the taxes.

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[–] Lag-wagon ago 

How do you feel about Bernie Sanders compared to Mr. Paul?

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[–] Ridonkulousley 5 points 30 points (+35|-5) ago 

Sanders.

His beliefs tie into mine closer than any candidate I know of.

I'm a skilled worker in the medical field who makes less than what he wants for minimum wage. His views of social liberty are exciting to me.

I have no delusion he would be able to pass everything he says he wants but his consistency over the past 30 years is more than just a candidate saying whatever he needs to to be elected.

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[–] cobeast 4 points 19 points (+23|-4) ago 

Socialism vs liberty is a false dichotomy. Unless you want to talk about capitalism vs liberty? Socialism doesn't want your guns or any other right anymore than Capitalism does. Its an economic system, we would still be a republic.

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[–] diodepain 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Sanders isn't a socialist, he's a social democrat. There's a very significant difference. With socialism, capitalism would be abolished and the means of production would be democratically controlled by the workers who operate them. Socialists' wouldn't support raising the minimum wage, they would support abolishing a wage-based economic system altogether. With social democracy, especially Nordic-model social democracy that Sanders supports, capitalism remains intact but people are guaranteed the right to the bare essentials needed to live. People are given food and shelter by the state, and once that has been dealt with, it's business as usual.

The Democratic Party needs to stop pretending to not be socialist and just embrace it.

The Democratic Party is nowhere near socialist. In fact they're only even left-wing relative to the Republican Party. If you look at it from an objective, non-US-centric point-of-view, the Democrats are center-right. They would never embrace socialism because they are as bought out as the Republicans. Why would a party that does nothing but (at least largely) supports economic status quo and is bought out by large corporations want to support a radical system where the people who sign their paychecks would be put out on the streets?

If you mean they need to stop pretending and embrace social democracy, again, they're far from social democrat, and why would they? Social Democracy, though not as far left as full-blown socialism, is still a left-wing ideology. The Democrats at best are centrist, they would never support something as radical as social democracy at least not on the party level. And social democracy would mean higher taxes for their ultra-rich friends who dictate the party's every move, so why would they do this? Sanders isn't a normal Democrat, most think he's crazy. You'll never see his ideas throughout the democratic party. And honestly I think he may be pulling a Ron Paul and not actually support the party he's a member of, but he's just with them because they're one of the two real choices in the US.

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[–] Lag-wagon 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

The democrats are just as bad as the republicans. They are all government shills. Bernie appears to be a socialist which I enjoy because I don't want the republicans or the republicans mascaraing as democrats anymore. He appears to be the only one who has the people as his interest and not the companies.

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[–] Meatfist 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

No hostility intended, but what about his consistent voting record do you like? What beliefs are you talking about? I see this response a lot when I speak to Sanders supporters, but rarely any specifics.

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[–] Ginx 1 point 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

It's not complicated:

Social investment into the citizenry. He has voted against needless wars and corporate welfare, while supporting every social cause championed by liberals and socialists. It's not only the common wedge issues (gay rights, abortion, etc.), it's the bigger issues like income inequality and America's role in the world. He's shown time and again over a long career that he actually stands by liberal policies, rather than just campaign on them.

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[–] cobeast 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I thought I was getting Bernie in 08. Instead i got another corporatist democrat in the vein of Big Billy C. I voted against Romney in the last election. Bernie is the real deal. Look at his voting record, his senate speeches his past campaign commercials. This guy is the guy.

Bernie against Iraqi War (at the time) https://youtu.be/NdFw1btbkLMYouTube

Bernie on the most recent economic recession/depression https://youtu.be/8Y-u0UnKZ_UYouTube

Bernie against NAFTA (in 91-sound familiar?) https://youtu.be/49eJYs8aDbsYouTube

Bonus Bernie https://youtu.be/nsDYAtKlsT4YouTube

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[–] distortedlines 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

Yes exactly, I like his views on the economy, LGBT rights, and the environment.

I do disagree with him on many social issues and on gun rights, but considering the rapid technological advances and their effect on the job market I'd rather have Sanders in office.

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[–] bobroland 1 point 18 points (+19|-1) ago 

Well, I'm a rare creature in American politics. A swing voter. Every Presidential candidate I've voted for has won since 1984. Really, if you want to win feel free to buy my vote. Obama won his first election because someone bought me a beer.

I guess you can say that I'm pretty liberal on social issues, and pretty conservative when it comes to spending money. I want a social net more than I want a military. I want drugs legalized, the government out of personal affairs, and I'm aghast when I see current trends regarding the militarization of police, overreach by prosecutors, and never ending surveillance.

He won't win the nomination, but I'm a Rand Paul supporter.

Everyone else? Fuck 'em. I may sit this one out. No idea what happens then.

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[–] Meatfist 1 point 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

Rand Paul is actually a candidate with whom I generally agree on policy. He has decent social policies and doesn't seem like he is proposing any changes that would further damage the middle class.

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[–] NeptuneRises 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

No one. It's all a dog and pony show.

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[–] rwbj 1 point 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Currently Sanders. We're about to walk into a future where things are going to be radically different than they are today. Automation alone will be a game changer. For instance the CEO of Uber has publicly stated he'd like to buy Tesla's entire first run of self driving vehicles, estimate at 500,000 in 2020. The reason is obvious: a completely autonomous taxi service. But now what would have previously been 500,000+ jobs is instead the job of 1 man and a couple thousand service stations to keep his cars maintained. And those drivers may turn to other industries to find a new job only to find automation is rapidly replacing humans everywhere. And this isn't some hand wavey distant future hoopla, this is 5 years from now!

This is going to be a major test for capitalism and frankly I don't really see how it's going to pass it. The industrial revolution brought countless new jobs with it because it about augmenting human labor. AI based automation is about replacing human labor with. When one person can earn billions because he's the first to market with his robots at the same time that we're seeing widespread unemployment for those without the money to buy robotic fleets to do work for them, how are we going to reconcile this?

I am slightly concerned about Sanders going full luddite and, for instance, choosing to simply prevent companies from replacing humans with AIs but this evolution of technology is as wonderful as it is inevitable. We just need to start seriously considering the practical ramifications of it and we'll likely see the first major effects of it during the next presidency. I think it's important to have a president who isn't necessarily tied to the current status quo when it seems there may be some fairly radical shifts to the current status quo in the near future.

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[–] Darth_Shitlord 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I'm an engineer currently working in the auto industry in Detroit. Yes automation is coming, it's unavoidable. That being said, we're still going to need tons of individuals to maintain and repair these machines. Downtime costs tons of money so the idea that's being talked about is that workers are going to go from line workers to dedicated repair and maintenance workers for the machines. Obviously not every employee will be needed in that occupation, but a significant portion of them will be.

I do agree that we need to address and solve the issue of what we're going to do with a massive population of people who, through no fault of their own, find themselves out of a job. But I think it would be counter intuitive to capitalism to simply allow those people to go unemployed because sure, a company would be able to produce a ton of product cheaply and without the added cost of hiring a human. But if enough companies did that and people weren't getting paid then there'll be no one to buy those products anyway. It's like a snake eating its own tail.

My prediction is that other industries will emerge and the economy will balance itself out. That may be wishful thinking, but if I'm wrong then we'll witness the self destruction of capitalism.

As far as the question of which candidate I support. I'm a fan of Rand Paul. The rest of what the GOP has fielded is garbage.

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[–] Mad_Spoon 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I know I am late to the party, but I think you would find these two videos interesting. If you have not already seen them.

Humans Need Not Apply by CGP Grey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

Unconditional Basic Income: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQXxcjJ5ODw

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[–] Meatfist 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

This is the kind of comment I like to see from a Sanders supporter. It gives me a reason to think that the social nets he would like to implement have a purpose besides more money out of my paycheck. I still don't agree with many of his policies, but if I was undecided, this might sway me.

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[–] Asinus 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I support President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho. Guy looks like he can get shit done.

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[–] Darth_Shitlord ago 

I don't think he could get enough support for his own campaign, but he should definitely be first choice for VP for whoever does get the GOP nomination. He'd help end the stigma that the GOP is a bunch of old rich white dudes who hate minorities.

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[–] lawofchaos 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Obviously this question is directed at American users but where I'm from, no one. These people parade around in BMWs and tailored suits and gold Rolex watches trying to collect the votes of people in broken shoes and rags. They're all a bunch of rich, powerful shit heads who want more money and more power. It's a complete fucking joke and so is the average voter so either way we're all screwed.

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[–] only_for_browsing 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I'm fairly sure that comment has been made (or an equivalent) about every modern government.

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