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[–] chirogonemd 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I agree with you. What I'm arguing is there isn't a swing vote this election. There hasn't been a time in recent history where people are more politically polarized and politics has been on everyone's lips, not to mention where the social pressure to vote one way or another is literally effecting lives, employment, the structure of social circles. I'm saying there are no votes that are swinging at this point. Perhaps in the first Trump cycle in 2016. Not now.

To me, this is going to be much more about outright fraud than propaganda. The propaganda has had 3 years to disseminate. It's not like it has been in past election cycles where politics "kicks up" ahead of an election. Unlike in the past, it's been non-stop full throttle politics programming for 3 straight years in 24 hours cycles, even going as far as to spread away from the news arena and into almost every other form of entertainment channel. It's totally unprecedented. Again, I couldn't tell you a soul whose mind isn't made up. There is nobody waiting for the right Google link or television advert to make up their minds. At least not between a conservative or liberal vote is what I mean. I'm sure there are people undecided about what democrat they'll vote for, but I also think its naive at this point to think that any people that are still voting democrat are liable to vote conservative because there isn't the right democrat candidate. Hardly. Hilary was the worst candidate in recent memory. We are post-rational at this point. This is strictly ideological now.

The Dems are depending on outright fraud. But I also get why you believe what you do, and in almost any other election, I would as well.

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[–] 0fsgivin 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I voted for Bernie in the last primary man. Trump in the general. If Trump don't get a wall up by 2020 and immigration doesn't take a serious dive. I will vote for any republican who can beat him in 2020.

But anywho...When the DNC fucked bernie the way the did. And that info was disseminated. That caused a lot of progressive liberals to flip. Mind you it was a segment of mostly white males. But that was absolutely a sizeable about amount of DNC voters. At the minimum it was about 2% of DNC voters id say max it was 5%. Based on democrats losing registered democrats and republicans gaining registered republicans.

Now not all of those progressives switched fully like I did and vote Trump. However, at the time both Sanders and Trump were anti-immigration or at least both said they were. Sanders had voted against immigration bills as well. But I digress.

Of that let's call it 3% of DNC voters who did not vote for Clinton after Sanders lost. If only 1% did a full switch which I'd say thats about right. Maybe more than that but not much more. That alone is a 2% swing. 1% lost for Clinton 1% gained for Trump to keep it simple lets just call that a 2% loss of DNC voters. Then the other 2% Clinton lost because DNC voters that would have gone to the top canidate either stayed home or voted 3rd party.. So DNC voters make up roughly half the population so your looking at 4% DNC loss equals a minimum 2% loss nationally

And really I'd say it was closer to a full 3% or 3 points clinton lost nationally. But even at just 2 points lost nationally by rigging a primary. Go state by state and take 1% away from Trump and give it to clinton. clinton would have been president. Winning 6 additional states including Florida and pennsylvania

Swing voters absolutely exist and they only have to make up 5% or even LESS of the population to have a massive effect. And while swing voters estimates are on the decline. I guarantee you 5% of the country is still absolutely in the "swing voter" category. And really it's more like 15% actually. 5% of which don't even "lean" one way or the other. Swing voters are absolutely still a thing. I will not Vote for Trump again if he don't get that fucking wall up. And I don't think his Israeli friends want that. So it ain't gunna happen. I will attempt to primary him in that case. And if that fails I'll just stay home.

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[–] chirogonemd ago 

Good points. I actually thought about this again this morning and how I too wouldn't vote for him again given the fact he hasn't followed through on the wall and immigration has actually grown worse. So yeah, I take it back. You are right.