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[–] Splooge [S] 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago  (edited ago)

For those of you (like me) that stared uncomprehendingly, basically this is when a normal (real) woman decides she's a woman trapped in a man's body trapped inside a woman's body.

So... basically a woman claiming she's a fake woman/mentally ill male faggot (but still a real woman).

I just realized my explanation does little to clear this up. I apologize.

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[–] blackzetsu 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

i still don't get it. Maybe im not supposed to.

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[–] chirogonemd 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I upset a liberal acquaintance the other day by asking him why the majority of all of these trans people, even in their fantasies, just recapitulate the binary? It's a serious question.

Presumably, the mental (subjective) experience of one's gender is completely decoupled from the physical body right? (If that weren't the case, there'd be no reason for any kind of reassignment surgery)

So if we are talking about something that is now immaterial (disembodied, just mental), why do they still only oscillate between man and woman? It's like they are saying minds exist in just one of two states: masculine or feminine.

Well, based on what? If something is disembodied, what makes it masculine or feminine? What properties of a mind cause it to be one of two states? Inevitably this question forces the person to circle back onto appeals to the physical body, and they wind up eating their own tail trying to make their arguments. They get super frustrated and pissy, b/c the amount of irrationality they have to suppress with cognitive dissonance is enough to frustrate anybody.

One answer I have gotten is that trans people, by definition, do consider themselves binary. What I'm referring to is in fact another class of people called non-binary. That sounds like it might reconcile at first, until you realize that in action, non-binary makes absolutely zero sense at all. According to their own information, they are either "agender", "genderfluid", or "demigender".

Agender says they are neither male, nor female. Note that this makes no sense whatsoever. They cannot truly create a non-binary gender. They can't even think of something that isn't masculine or feminine, which is telling about gender ontologically. Both of the other designations involve flipping between the genders, or taking some properties from both of them.

I mean, you'd think given the freedom to really be creative when it came to gender, we'd see something at least genuinely artistic happening. But we don't. They just recapitulate the binary, or claim to be objects or animals.

I just think it's hilarious that our subjective experience is the closest thing to us. It's the truest thing we'll ever really know. And these people are the ones claiming they're having the experience, and yet none of them can come up with a gender experience whose definition doesn't somehow rely on the binary. Not a single novel gender. Why can't they escape the male-female dichotomy? There's a reason. Perhaps it's that our language is the limiting factor? I doubt that.

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[–] meowski 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

what about circumcircumgender. How far can we take this?

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[–] Splooge [S] ago 

Circumgender Inception
Circum Inception
Circumception
Circumcision

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[–] Jaegerjaques ago 

lol I thought it was clever satire