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[–] CowWithBeef 1 point 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

This is one of the better ubi counter-arguments. It assumes that political reality will prevent welfare replacement and cause the ubi to be terrible. UBI is a better idea than welfare because it doesn't require you to stay poor and useless to receive it. If the disincentives to being useful remain, ubi is a terrible idea. TBH the UBI also has to repeal the minimum wage to be certain of success.

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[–] 12094974? 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

This. UBI has to replace all direct payouts and minimum wage has to be dropped completely. Anything else is just political bullshit to buy votes. I would not support a UBI int he US without a Constitutional Amendment outlawing all other forms of welfare as well as any "refundable" tax credits currently used to increase welfare payments on the sly.

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[–] CrustyBeaver52 ago 

You do need to maintain some benefits which technically can be called "welfare" but which actually should not be categorized in that area - stuff like extra money for the severely disabled. Some people require constant care, etc.

However - basic income can and should replace all of the other basic payment systems - everything from welfare through social security. It just becomes income - same as wages. No need to overhaul all kinds of stuff - give it equally to everybody and all it does is to create a floor in the labor market - while that floor already somewhat exists through the welfare type systems now.