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[–] BloodPool 0 points 28 points (+28|-0) ago 

I just don't want another /r/liberal or whatever disguised as /r/politics...or in this case another /r/politics disguised as /v/politics.

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[–] WillMcavoy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I'm more of a trash an obvious tea party non-contender type of a guy, personally.

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[–] TotalWar 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Exactly. I saw people on /r/politics the other day complaining about how "conservative" Voat seemed to them. Boo hoo hoo, little Bernie Jr. can't have his liberal echo chamber.

The only thing I've seen so far that's "conservative" about this place is that people seem to be more accepting of other people's view than on that one site, what's it called again...you know.

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[–] jallab 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Breath of fresh air, isn't it? Loving this diversity of opinion.

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[–] bill.lee 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

That's fascinating they'd think its too conservative here. From a political perspective, I don't identify with one party or ideology but I'm certainly aware that I'm about as far to the left in opinions as one can get. How boring it would be to only have discussions with like-minded people. Part of what makes politics interesting is hearing the opposite side.

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[–] Drakinor 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

I can't agree with you more. I love discussing politics, but being fairly conservative found myself constantly insulted for having views differing from those of the /r/politics drones. I think if this "subverse" can be truly political discussion, especially in a fairly civil manner, I will be sold enough to believe that it is likely the rest of voat is less "agree or be trolled" than reddit.

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[–] BloodPool 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Wonderful point of view. I very much disliked the: "Agree...or else!" Mindset of reddit. I'm glad to see some dissenting and diverse conversation in /v/politics. If, however, it turns into more of the same, I'll try to find a different subverse. Until then...happy browsing!

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[–] PoliticalScientist 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm glad for discussion, but if you want to keep it civil, it would be best to not call people drones, on either side of the isle. Even if it's subtle or unintended that sort of talk from anyone is likely to lead to a little resentment and possible retaliatory comments which most likely wouldn't be in good taste.

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[–] Potetmos 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Not having a political bias is impossible, but I hope we can get a culture where interesting points are appreciated, even though they differ from the majority. The problem isn't really the bias, but the tendency to downvote everything one disagrees with.

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[–] Ravenscroft 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I disagree!

"Interesting" points are already appreciated. It's the bog standard lazy ones that fall on dividing lines. People may not have agreed with it, but the "a llama in every household" guy got plenty of coverage for having an interesting point on the importance of livestock farming to America.

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[–] fupalove 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

there should be a wider range of political associations. Liberal leaning and conservative leaning feels a little too generalized. I feel there will be a lot of "Other" submissions coming your way

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[–] oaken [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

How do you think I should classify them? It's not too late to add more options.

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[–] kirkis 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'm a geo-libertarian-market-socialist frankenstein monster. So there's no pleasing me. But you need to consider that libertarian and liberal are flipped in non-us countries. I think dumbing your survey down to left leaning or right leaning would probably work best.

Then ask if you prefer centralized federal government or decentralized local government to create laws, regulations or lackthereof. Then under economics ask if you prefer free trade or protectionism. Then ask if you prefer interventionism or isolationism. Then ask Sanders great president or greatest president ever?

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[–] Genghis91 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Add Libertarian, Green Party, Independent, etc to political views. Marriage stance - government shouldn't license marriage as a choice.

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[–] Nationalist 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Right-wing and conservative aren't the same thing, by the way.

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[–] acratus 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I think "Conservative" and "Progressive" would be reasonable alternatives to the "leanings."

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[–] color_ranger 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I generally consider myself moderate and I wasn't really sure what to pick, so I picked Independent.

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[–] vaelroth 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I believe it would be best if social and economic axes were covered. It is possible to be an conservative on economics, but liberal on social policies or vice versa. That would also give a good hint at any of a person's views on the "hot button" topics.

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[–] Nationalist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

As an "other" I totally agree.

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[–] Genghis91 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

You forgot to put Jesse Ventura and Gary Johnson as a candidate!

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[–] oaken [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I only included candidates listed here as it would not be feasible to add every single one. Do you have a better list perhaps?

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[–] Genghis91 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

You should definitely include the '3rd parties'. This site looks nice. I would include potentials who you could see as running. I think Gary Johnson will as long as Jesse Ventura decides not to run but I see him running as an Independent with the support of the LP.

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[–] boater 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I think the better solution is to actually discourage discussion of executive branch electoral candidates entirely, and to encourage discussion of the actual policies and bills being debated by the democratic portions of nation states: the legislatures.

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[–] shorternet 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I got as far as the 5th question and packed it in because I have very little interest in American politics and it really doesn't matter to me who wins the 2016 American Presidential election. I mean, I've got friends and family who live there that I'd feel a great deal of sympathy for if Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee, or (gods forbid) Donald Trump ended up sitting in the Whitehouse - but other than that, meh.

Put me down as a generally left leaving non-authoritarian advocate of direct democracy.

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[–] oaken [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Admittedly it is a bit US-centric, but so are most of the sub's content. If you don't mind it would still be a useful addition to the demographics statistics if you submitted it anyways and left all the American questions blank.

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[–] shorternet 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If you don't mind it would still be a useful addition to the demographics statistics if you submitted it anyways and left all the American questions blank.

If I did that it would muddle the results would it not? The resulting data set would not be consistent if (potentially) multiple variables are not included yet are compared to data sets that include all data.

My intent was not (as /u/nomerasques indicated) to be intolerant, it was simply to point out that country specific questions in an international forum don't necessarily work. Had it been a more general set of questions I would have participated in a voatbeat.

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[–] Sokratrox 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It is fine, except for the gun control question. Even if you only consider the US, there are many different laws on gun control. I wouldn't vote to increase gun control in Germany because it is already pretty rigid.

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[–] Marquistador 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Shorternet does raise a pretty decent point. Perhaps some international issues would be helpful. Although I'm not sure which issues would best measure political leanings. Anyway, poll's been made. Can't wait to see the results!

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[–] NeedleInAHaystack 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The survy seemed geared towards Americans. I'm not an american but i still vote (voat?) in my country's elections, national and local. I answered the american question, because i do have an opinion, but i don't vote in american elections. I think that may skew the results a little bit.

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[–] mcwilshire 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Scott Walker is not a candidate?

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[–] One_Wing_Angel 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I noticed that too. A definite mistake by OP.

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[–] wmq 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I think the age brackets should be modified, eg: 15-17, 18-21 - so that those with voting rights wouldn't be blended with those who don't have them.

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[–] iburnaga 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Is Voat primarily US? This seems very biased toward the United States. Being from there I don't mind but it my muddy your results.

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[–] oaken [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Alexa reports voat to be something like 60% US. The poll results so far suggest much higher than that, but I suspect that might be due to the nature of the sub and survey.

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[–] iburnaga 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Well, it isn't like we can't branch the subverses when people of difference countries reach critical mass. v/ukpolitics etc etc

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