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[–] [deleted] 0 points 51 points (+51|-0) ago 

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[–] Shekelstein6M 0 points 50 points (+50|-0) ago 

First prove that the laws we have do not violate the constitution.

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[–] XSS1337 1 point 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

I would buy both of you drinks gentlemen .... +1 all around

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[–] mightnotbearobot 4 points -4 points (+0|-4) ago 

So change the constitution

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[–] EatingSteak 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Two proof-of-concept examples for an idea:

  • The War on Terror
  • The War on Drugs

Idea: you can't just make something bad disappear by making it illegal

Every new law/rule/restriction is giving up a small slice of your freedom for something - so what is that something? It's not "to make guns go away" or some wishy-washy goal

You want a desired outcome - presumably you want to be safer, or reduce gun violence or something. So, you ask yourself two questions:

  • What is the desired outcome
  • What is your policy's efficacy toward that outcome?

Bonus points for using precedent and justifying that this previous example would also apply here.

I am pro gun-rights, but I like to think I keep an open mind. So my 'open-mindedness' is here: show me an example of the above working - a successful gun-control policy working. Not to suggest that one couldn't, but it's been tried enough in the past that I'm not going to take some new attempt at face value

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[–] midnight_rider 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

To your point, if every crime committed with a gun caused the convicted felon to be given life or the death penalty it would reduce gun violence far more than laws concerning firearms themselves. It's obvious they really don't want to reduce gun violence as this would be the first fucking thing to do.

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[–] WanderingMitten ago 

Bro. you're forgetting the best example. Alcohol Prohibition. What did this result in? More Booze options, illegal business practices and gangsters focusing on the illegal sale of alcohol to profit off of.

We've known for a long time this shit doesn't work but the people in power are sick fucks who just want the ability to control people and tell them what they can and can't do.

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[–] belrial 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Fine example, James Earl Ray killed MLK, some nigs say the FBI hired, made, whatever him do it. In 1968 they passed the GCA which made felons ineligible to buy a gun. Guess who comprises the largest group of felons per capita? And they are all for disarming further which puts the man more in charge. Just ignorant.

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[–] 10702794? 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Definitely not the ones where I live.