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[–] Diogenes_The_Cynic 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If he started off with more than 2 breeding pairs, I bet they would not be so closely related by the end of the experiment.

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[–] Rainy-Day-Dream [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

started with 4 male and 4 female

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[–] FuckTheVirileAether 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Similar thing happening in the virtual universe, everyone in the world crowded together in this online space. You try to fit in with the group, but when group gets so big, SOMEONE will hate you for ANYTHING you say, and you can't escape the space and go found a new world where everyone in your new group agrees and competes with the shitheads who disagree on the other team, so you stop trying to fit in, and everyone trying to fit in is how society works in the first place. This happens to everyone and society collapses totally. Like tower of Babel.

If Universe 25 were divided into different colonies with strong but porous borders it wouldn't have totally collapsed. The rats would have grouped up according to behavior and preferences and lived happily among their nation state instead of eating each other. They ate each other because there was nowhere to escape from the shitheads in the community So they ate them instead.

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[–] Rainy-Day-Dream [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

it would've collapsed it just would've taken longer, they didn't eat each other and the infighting died down long before the civilization collapsed, the issue is the lack of adversity

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[–] Yukaton 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Funny you put MGTOW in there considering after PUA > TRP(PUA) > MGTOW. Also MGTOWs have used this as justification against Feminism and as a rejoice for the collapse of society back into the natural order. MGTOW is only a temporal station, if the Liberal establishment eats the dust most of men will probably recirculate back into the reproductive order within two decades.

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[–] Rainy-Day-Dream [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

will the liberal establishment bite the dust in the next two decades? what if it doesn't?

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[–] Yukaton 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Well, you can eat the bullet and marry a woman, RP as much as you can and you hope for the best outcome. Best outcome is a low n count woman, one raised predominantly traditional and be red pilled enough that you can stabilize your marriage over a long term period, because you'll be fighting strong external environmental pressures. If you don't want to put that effort in I guess you'd have to find purpose in life other then through reproduction, typically this route is more of the MGTOW line. Cheesy as it may sound there's a nice line from star trek, context being a stock investor from the past no longer having any money in the future, Picard quotes something along the lines of, the value of your life is simply what you add to yourself. I suppose in TRP dialectic, its more self improvement and living for your own happiness then that of others, where as marriage is a subservient role to a wife or children, an expansion of sameness of self often without an individual confronting the self, their ego.

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[–] Gake_The_Cake 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Either the mice were so depleted of stress that the bodies hormonal glands antrophied to the point that the hormonal glands died off or something else is going on and any kind of perfection results in all living things dying.

I'd like to have this test run again, but introduce frequent bodily harm and fear. The mice should become militant, shouldnt fight each other except alpha maled, and should overpopulate to starvation.

Asia is a prime example that Universe 25 doesnt show you everything. If population density was really so important then asian populations would never have gotten so high. Also consider not all asian nations have the same level of population density.

Also, Afrika has overpuplation inspite of going well above sustainable food and irregular food intake. Possibly due to this same concept, but asia is far more decernable tell.

All this said I'm aware of certain counter examples. I'd love for it to be retested both as it might prove my earlier hypothesis, but remember how i said something else is at play? I cant indentify the mechanic, but it seems when a soceity gets to a certain level of drivelessness something else may be what is genuinely atrophying to the point of locally dying off resulting in all members becoming apathetic.

It isnt that those mice have become mgtow and feminists. Its that those mice dont have anything ro live for. No reward for overcoming the challenges they introduce through their own society. The reward of this seems to stem entirely from conflict, but aeems to ignore individual suffering.

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[–] Rainy-Day-Dream [S] 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

it isn't about population density at all, they never reached peak population and most of the nesting areas went unused

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[–] Gake_The_Cake 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

My above comment asserts that population density has nothing to do with it and that asia is ebidence of that.

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