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[–] [deleted] 4 points 16 points 20 points (+20|-4) ago (edited ago)
[–] WalkingShadow 1 point 5 points 6 points (+6|-1) ago
"Who's doing the raping?" doesn't seem to me to be a very cogent statement on the state of border security, if that's his point.
[–] robsta33 1 point 4 points 5 points (+5|-1) ago
I know that my comment may be seen by some as crass and without tact, but the guy really is a total a-hole.
[–] PunchinMahPekaah 2 points 2 points 4 points (+4|-2) ago (edited ago)
This isn't about being punished for talking about something offensive. He was being purposefully inflammatory and outright wrong. Yes, we aren't getting Mexico's best, but Mexico's best isn't as desperate to start a new life. There is no data to suggest that any significant percentage of Mexican immigrants commit violent crimes, rape, or any of the like.
The only reliable data on rapists by demographic is 18 years old and does not support any statement that any significant percentage of Mexican immigrants are rapists, as Trump claimed.
The data on violent crimes doesn't suggest that a hispanic person is any more likely to commit a violent crime than a white person.
But this data is only about the demographics in genereal, not specifically Mexican Immigrants. And that's the issue I have with Donald Trump's statements. If there was any evidence to back up his inflammatory claims, I would think, "Ok, he was certainly crass but at least he's trying to tackle a problem with this country". There is no such data, however, he was just spouting what he thought to be true, and for a Presidential candidate that is not only inappropriate but the thought of him being in the White House is frightening to me. I want our next President to be someone who will fix the problems we are having without prejudice and with the knowledge of what is important and must be done, not someone who thinks something is a problem with no evidence to support it, then acts on it.
There's my two cents.
Edit: Formatting.
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[–] binky 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I don't think it should make him a marketplace martyr. But "he has a point (if you interpret his statements with a great deal of mercy)" is NOT a reason to support the scumbag.
[–] [deleted] 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago
[–] Unlucky13 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I've been calling him Wilson Fisk and Lex Luthor for years now. It has always seemed fitting.
[–] One_Wing_Angel 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
Trump is being crucified and turned into a caricature, and his private businesses are not only being attacked, but become designated targets for half the country. If you're good, then you better not even do business with the bastard! /sarc
Politics is beginning to dominate our lives. It's not enough to vote the correct way, but you must also denounce the Opponent as evil, and then - It being evil - ostracize and destroy It.
This has always been the case on the fringes, of course, but it is now rapidly consuming the center of the left. This is a malignant development.
[–] Unlucky13 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
To be fair though, if he was serious about running for office than he should give up control of his businesses. Not doing so just opens him up to massive conflict of interest issues and makes him look like he's entering politics to promote his brand. You can't be surprised when people refuse to buy your products (which have your own name plastered all over them) when you're going around making controversial statements- right or wrong as they may be.
[–] Medwin 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
This right here. It seems like everyone else is either ignoring the issue or outright saying the issue doesn't exist. Trump is bringing up a very real issue, he may not have brought it up in the best way, but that doesn't change the problem.
[–] binky 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
The fact that these problems exist also doesn't make Trump any more ideal as a candidate.
[–] Medwin ago
That doesn't mean we can't talk about this issue as adults.
[–] binky 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Attacking someone's livelihood for their political point of view is, in my opinion, evil.
[–] FreeSpeachRocks [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
I'm a believer in freedom of association and am intolerant of intolerance. I like having bigots out in the open so I can avoid encounters, including doing business with them. It doesn't matter what kind of bigotry (SJW, religious fundamentalist, or extremists of any flavor) they engage in.
That said, I always will defend their right to be an asshole and to speak their mind freely.
[–] Unlucky13 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Meh, if your brand's success is determined by maintaining positive public opinion of you and your products/companies, then diving into politics is the worst thing you could do from a business standpoint. If you absolutely have to get involved, then there's plenty of opportunities to donate and support political candidates without putting your company name out there. The Koch Brothers have mastered this.
Trump went out there with the intention of saying controversial things that he HAD to know was going to make a lot of people upset. He's a pompous egotistical ass who the public has been dying to light on fire for years now, and he finally gave them a lighter to use against him. He's been saying controversial things for years with no repercussions. If anything, it's only raised his value and his profits. So how should people hold him accountable? His money. Go after his money and he may finally realize that he simply cannot make such tone-deaf statements, and perhaps let him know that he is way too out of touch of the average American to be an effective President.
[–] CaptainWeaboo ago
Trump has as much tact as his hair is real.
[–] RedditDead2005-2015 ago
Trump is the Republicans' worst nightmare. They promised themselves after the last Presidential election to focus on kissing up to the Latinos. Fair or not, the Republican Party is going to get the Latino backlash from guilt by association. The fact that Trump is actually increasing his approval rating among Republicans after the racist comments sort of tells you about their voter base already.