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[–] thcinc 0 points 8 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago (edited ago)
It's all being done behind closed doors in secret with the backing of the biggest corporations and a lot of lobbying. The only parts the public have seen have been leaked via wikileaks, so even if you wanted to know all the possible problems you're not able to read it. What has been revealed so far is that it allows corporations these so called "multinationals" to have legal grounds to sue nations that dont conform to their interests.
[–] wearethemusicmakers [S] 2 points -1 points 1 point (+1|-2) ago
All legislation is developed behind closed doors. And why shouldn't companies be able to sue governments. I really don't get all the hysteria.
[–] thcinc 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
well my reply conformed to your request to be within 2-4 sentences, so of course a short answer leaves a lot unanswered questions. Ill pick one point to elaborate on to hopefully get you interested in researching any questions you might have. In regards to corporations/companies being able to sue governments, the terms of the policy allow not any company but only "multinationals" (companies in many countries, so only the big players) to sue governments for any losses in "expected future profits".
[–] tchouk 1 point -1 points 0 points (+0|-1) ago
Your question and the answers in this thread seem to be very disingenuous. You most likely are a TPP supporter trying to manipulate people to your point of view instead of outright saying why you support it.
To address your first point: legislation is very much open to public debate before anyone votes on anything and bills become law. Granted, the actual drafts are created in private, but these drafts are made publicly available when the time comes to discuss them in Congress.
This is clearly not the case with this trade agreement.
Just as clearly, the consequences of this agreement will be no less important than some of the laws passed by government.
This by itself is reason enough to be vehemently against this treaty.
However, it goes deeper than that because the treaty obviously favors large corporations. By itself, outside of context, this is not a bad thing. But you are an idiot if you don't consider context, and the context is that the current economic situation in the US is already very heavily imbalanced and the imbalance 100% favors large corporations and their owners to the detriment of the working "middle class" person.
More of the same is 100% not going to improve this imbalance. Trying more of the same to to improve this imbalance -- and I believe it does have to be improved -- is the very definition of insanity.
So either the people backing this treaty are insane or they are interested in further screwing the economic balance from the middle class in favor of corporate interests. Logically, it follows that most of the "common" people will be against this.
Since you yourself seem to be a proponent of the treaty, you are probably one of four things: 1. Not a middle class common person -- this means you wouldn't really understand our opposition in the first place 2. You are insane -- which means you should probably get help instead of posting here 3. You are a masochist and want the economic imbalance to screw you over -- See above 4. You are being payed to shill -- in which case I'm sorry you have to earn your living doing this
[–] thcinc 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
Here's a short simplified video with some pretty graphics. https://youtu.be/DnC1mqyAXmw
[–] wearethemusicmakers [S] 2 points -2 points 0 points (+0|-2) ago
Hmmmmm interesting interesting ... (yawns) I like how the evil oil tycoon was smoking a cigarette. Corporations are just financial conduits for goods and services. They are not evil menaces. Voat is a corporation that might need to sue a country one day. Governments and churches seem way more menacing to me.
[–] thcinc 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago
Yeah dont get me wrong I aint saying people/companies shouldnt be able to sue countries/governments. My angle is that the line between goverments and the big corporations is begining to blur, an I see the tpp as a big step towards giving said corporations even more power. Then our illusion of so called democracy is shattered after it's to late.
[–] Petyr_Baelish 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago (edited ago)
I'm not against it, I'm not for it. I'm skeptical of the way it's being pushed through without being a part of public debate.
EDIT: The way I see it, there are only two possible main reasons why it's not being talked about all the time across the political sphere.
The first possibility (and the most likely) is that politicians, political staffers and lobby groups have taken the position that the average person simply isn't educated or informed enough to understand all the elements of the agreement, and therefore it's just going to be easier to push it through without having a lot of bickering over it. This perhaps isn't malicious, but it is condescending and not very democratic.
The second possibility is less likely but a lot more worrisome. That is, they know damn well that there are things in this agreement that are going to screw over a great deal of people, and they want it done now before it can be halted.
[–] arrggg 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Here is the best explanation I have seen, in comic strip format - http://economixcomix.com/home/tpp/
If it is so bad they have to hide and classify the contents of the agreement, it is not for our benefit.
[–] pollyprissypants 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
The corporations that have/are growing up around the private banking system have and will continue to deplete the people of their resources until they have nothing else, they will then move on to the next most profitable location to do their business again.
This can create two classes of people. Those who control the money supply or are involved in its flow will have excellent health care. While the poor class will simply try to survive (think movie Elysium).
[–] chubnubbin 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Who's down with tpp?
Yeah you know me.
[–] zen_music 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago
Relevant username. Nice try, Disney.
[–] QuestionEverything 1 point -1 points 0 points (+0|-1) ago
Pretty sure OP is a shill. One 'touchy-feely' (useless) thread submission per day.
He asks a VERY STUPID question about TPP (because he can't watch a video? Read an article?).
Someone ACTUALLY answers him (Dont feed the trolls!), -and OP then DISAGREES with them! Followed by,: "I don't get all the Hysteria."
OP, Can you maybe learn to read or even watch a video? Apparently not. Fuck off and die, ok? Serious shit is happening and you're either ignorant or actually a paid shill. Ignorance can be forgiven, shills burn. (Ask Dante).
[–] wearethemusicmakers [S] 1 point -1 points 0 points (+0|-1) ago
Wow. Powerful arguments. I'm convinced.
[–] QuestionEverything ago
ANother moron who can't read about the TPP? You need someone to spoon feed you? Fuck off with your 8 day too late comment.