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[–] HarveyKlinger 2 points 130 points (+132|-2) ago 

Congrats and welcome to the real world. Now that you've gotten your feet wet you'll realize it's not so bad here. It's easier to be who you are with a few good friends then pretend to be someone you're not surrounded by people you really don't like that much.

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[–] julian_assanger 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

I know how he feels because I'm still in the same boat, surrounded by the influence of who used to be your most trusted friends, even if it was rocky toward the end... it's been three years for me, and things haven't gotten easier, socially, but I'm less depressed and identity confused than back then.

Even though not being able to get laid is pretty God damn depressing lmao... Accepting that eventuality makes more of a man than commanding an army of borderline anarchists.

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[–] HarveyKlinger 0 points 29 points (+29|-0) ago 

I was "redpilled" when Bill Clinton was president. So I've been at it a lot longer and it's sometimes difficult to confront the liberal bashing but here's where we typically win. They will yell, resort to name calling of you and any politician that doesn't support their agenda, and will usually refuse to discuss the topic any further because of one simple thing - facts. Once you're redpilled you will pay attention in a way that you never have before. You'll read and watch and learn and remember. They can not compete. I STILL get into arguments with people who are 100% sure that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house. I keep a $100 bill in my wallet for times like these and will pull it out and slap it on a table and say, "I'm so sure you're wrong, here's $100 to prove it. Are you willing to do the same?" They will ho and hum and yell but they'll never put their money where their mouth is. It usually ends the debate shortly after. Yes it's sort of a dick move but I don't call people nazi or fascist. If I'm not positive about something, I will say I'm not positive. A liberal will just yell louder when they're not sure.

Hold your ground. Be confident on your morals and beliefs. Enjoy being who you are. You'll eventually meet like minded individuals and things get MUCH easier.

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[–] gr8H8er 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Never speak of fathers, GOD or politics if sex is where you want the conversation to go.

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[–] Bill_Murrays_Sandals 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Tyler Durden: "It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."

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[–] sinjinsmythe 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I didn't even stop to imagine what it must be like for normal-ish liberal leaning people stuck with the libtard nutters, how intellectually isolated they must feel for fear of speaking their minds. Sad.

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[–] Jeffteague 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I am so sorry for your loss, but it is better to live in the light than to live in the dark with others. I have lost family and friends over first becoming a conservitive and then another layer of family over Trump. I love President Trump. I have taken the redpill and am a 14 words guy now. I am not a 88 guy. I do not have anything against other people but see the cause and effect of what will come to our people if we do nothing. I am a nationalist and i find it hard to be around my leftist family. They just do not get it. Welcome friend.

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[–] ForgotMyName 0 points 78 points (+78|-0) ago 

I don't even know where to meet people that aren't thoughtless, tribalist liberals.

Gun range.

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[–] Empress 0 points 28 points (+28|-0) ago 

Rifle and pistol clubs are filled with really cool people.

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[–] julian_assanger 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Have you SEEN the Taurus Curve?!

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[–] EatingSteak 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

My gun range has a sign on the door:

This is an Obama-free gun zone

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[–] 112263V 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

woa easy tiger. he's flipped for 48 hours and you trying to get a gun in his hand? baby steps bro.

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[–] julian_assanger 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Best way to tell if they're made of stern stuff. (jk)

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[–] VicariousJambi 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Unfortunately shootins a pretty expensive hobby to get into if you're new. :/

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[–] julian_assanger 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

A box of 500 pretty reliable .22 made by Remington sells for about $20.00. I've had very few jams with a 30 round magazine, loaded with a speed loader... The jams most likely came from using the speed loader, since it was designed to also handle .38, and possibly even 9mm.

EDIT: I noticed the jams toward the end of the mag, and other contributing factors could definitely have been barrel expansion and residue.

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[–] maxoverdrive 0 points 46 points (+46|-0) ago 

I made the mistake of telling my ultra-lib family who I voted for. My email was literally this" woo-hoo! finally, a candiate I voted for actually won!". Yep, that was it - pretty much the whole of the email. I was stoked that for once, in my 51 years, that someone I voted for actually won an election. It's the first time, ever, that's actually happened.

My family immediately disowned me. And I don't mean "you're an asshole", I mean "I hate you, you're Nazi scum, I hope someone shoots you in the head". Yep, I'm not kidding you - my whole family, without exception, expressed their fervent desire to see me six feet under. I knew there would be some back-lash, but I never expected them to cut me off and tell me to fucking die. And yet, that's exactly what they did.

The worst part of it was that they then told me that they'd inform all of my nieces and nephews (and grand-nieces and nephews, since my family is white-trash and can't figure out how to use a condom) that "Uncle Max" was a Nazi fucking bastard and wanted to see the entire lot of them marched off to death camps. I know that sounds weird, but I'm the minority white guy in my family - about half of us bastards are (legal) Mexican-Americans, with about a quarter being Japanese-Americans. So I went from being "Uncle Max who takes us to Disneyland" to "Uncle Max who wants to kill us all because we aren't white" overnight.

Really, I'm not fucking kidding you you. All of my nieces and nephews, as well as my grand-nieces and grand-nephews, now think I hate them and want them to die. I don't, of course - this is shit their parents are telling them - but who are they going to believe?

I don't have any kids of my own - I made some terrible choices in life-mates, and so now at 51 I''m single and child-less, so these kids are the closest thing I have to little ones of my own. And now, due to their parents insane liberal politics, they now all think "Uncle Max" is going to show up one day and march them off to death-camps.

That's my life. Be thankful your life isn't mine. I'm alone now - I have some drinking buddies who've seen combat with me and wouldn't dump me no matter how crazy I get, but as for everyone else in my life - I'm evil incarnate, and nothing will ever change that.

I miss the little ones. And I'm sad I'll never take them to Disneyland again. That was one of the highlights of my life - seeing their faces when we went down Splash Mountain, or some such. It'll never happen again now.

Trust me, it could be worse. It could be so much worse that you spend most nights trying to drink yourself to death. God, how I miss the little ones....

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[–] 8036909? 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Sadly... the simple truth is the reaction you are seeing is coming from them knowing deep down... they might have been wrong all this time.

Not about everything, but the fundamental ground they find themselves standing on was reached there by being wrong and what that means.

You are being lashed at because they are facing a form of death where were they to accept they've been so deeply wrong is... in a way... harder than physical death. Because they would have to wake up the next day and face you. It's easier when a person gets there kind of gradually such as the OP... but for many the Trump election was a bullet to the ego and identity every bit as deadly as one to the brain.

Except since they are still walking around it's a bit more like being ego suffocated after a blow to the gut and groin. And when a person starts to suffocate they start to violently flail about without the ability to control it to the point of even hurting the very people trying to help them, or just nearby.

God speed to you... I'm trying to pull myself out of having started down the path of drinking myself to death after spending so long trying to reach out and warn those around me that there was a train coming right for them and if they don't look up they are going to be absolutely blind sided. Thankfully I had already created enough of a buffer between them by the time the election happened that I've avoided having to do quite what OP did, or experienced what you have. So I feel for you both.

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[–] dreamcomfortmemory 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"Sadly... the simple truth is the reaction you are seeing is coming from them knowing deep down... they might have been wrong all this time."

Yes. Some of the people I know who got really depressed and couldn't handle the election results are completely sure of themselves and have kind of a know it all attitude. Their egos can't handle being that wrong, the incongruence between reality and their bubble world is too obvious to be ignored.

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[–] RectalLeakage 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

I reccommend renting a bus and wearing a SS uniform... and bring a bouncy castle. kids love those.

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[–] DeltaBravoTango 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

What gas should be inflate it with?

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[–] Putzmiester 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Jesus dude! If you live in Texas, hit me up. I would love a beer and to shoot off a few rounds. My sister tried to turn my nephew's on me, but I taught them better than that and they don't trust their mom with anything.

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[–] kraftykat 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Holy shit brother. I am sorry. That's insane on your families part. This election really has seemed to make people absolutely batshit crazy

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[–] gazillions 0 points 42 points (+42|-0) ago 

They've substituted politics for religion. You stand accused of heresy and have been excommunicated.

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[–] Empress 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Exactly right.

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[–] malloryquinn 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Usually they are the ones that use science as a religion. but they are easy to identify as they can't tell you the first thing about the process, and think somehow it's about consensus.

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[–] wellendowedduckling 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

wow such a solid comparison.

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[–] Firevine 1 points 39 points (+40|-1) ago 

I got drawn into leftist politics during the Bush era. I maintain that this was a fair life decision at the time.

Can't say I blame you. I took a little trip to an "interview" with the Human Rights Campaign during that time, but it stunk of abuse in and of itself, and going door to door in Atlanta begging for money sounded like a one way ticket to the morgue, so...no. I'm also hilariously bad at interviews, and stumbled all over my words, and they still jumped my bones, so I understood that they didn't care to have anyone with any kind of skills. It wasn't going to be a "job". All it was was canvassing and annoying people.

It's when I ended up taking a MAJOR shift towards Libertarianism. I'm staunchly small-government conservative, and anti-war. I'm sick of war. Bush had a lot of terrible policies. I think he gets a bad rap sometimes, but god damn, did he do some damage.

because these were my friends.

Some time back, a friend and I were reminiscing about our insane old shenanigans. We got into some serious hijinks. We were talking about how we really don't keep in touch with most of the other people we knew during that period, and she said "Yeah, we were all friends as long as there was alcohol involved". In the same vein, these people were your "friends" so long as you agreed with everything they said.

and don't forget to take some time to enjoy life, laugh at some comedy, see your friends, and not be negative every waking second. They took this as unbridled support for Trump and laid into me.

Some years back, I was on an online dating site, and this girl was really cute. She had a lot of pictures of herself at rallies and what not, with all kinds of signs and blah blah. She was cute, and she seemed like she was bucking the system, and that was good enough for me. I struck up a conversation with her, and she was receptive. We talked...well, I talked, and she was this lifeless, vapid, utterly uninteresting person. I relayed it to my boss a few days later, and he said, paraphrasing: "People who are overly political generally don't have much else going on in their lives."

Burning your life to the ground, and cutting off negative connections is going to be highly beneficial. I've done that a time or two in the past. There are people I used to be very close with, until I realized how negatively they impacted my life, and now I'm at best, cordial when I run into them in public.

Just do you for a bit. I randomly met some people I'm now close friends with just by hanging out at my local comic book store. I met a couple guys who also played Magic: the Gathering, and they introduced me to another of their friends, he and I struck a chord, and now I'm great friends with him and his girlfriend. You'll randomly meet people like this. Whatever your hobbies are, focus on that, and you'll build relationships with like minded individuals. All of my close friends, I can attribute to playing M:tG, even if it's not a major aspect of our lives anymore.

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[–] ArchibaldLacey 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Gotta be shitting on my penis... just closed the tab on my post. Hopefully this makes relative sense to the post, since there seems to be a coming out in this 'safe space' thread ::wink::.

I believe a majority of the population is failing to see a cultural shift taking place. There's a generation of individuals that have simply played quiet, for whatever reason one can imagine. Working, or perhaps largely apolitical, slow, libertarian? Ent people? Regardless, I like coining the moniker of the "silent majority", coined to Trump voters, simply because there is a group of individuals that feeling silenced by the radicalism.

A majority fails to see this shift though, and whether 10 to 60, it comes across like the grandparents wavering off the idolatry of the next generation. I won't say one is better/worse, as every movement, awakening, reseeds issues along with it. As the schism of the 60's brought its' own destruction, and in the wake, a split to the Conservative party. Call it what you will. To me, it is in the shadow of the New Deal though, highlighted by the counter-culturalism of the 1960's.

That schism I see is during the 1964 election, between the Barry Goldwater movement (notwithstanding the nukes, supported by Hillary) archetype conservative's to the big government, religious form of conservatism prevailing since. The former, at the time, sick of the New Deal principles, while the latter abandoning conservatism to embrace it. The irony can be seen in Goldwater's senatorial successor, John McCain.

I think it's a libertarian movement. Perhaps not too far off from a founding father in wanting to mind one's own business, or only tend to the garden of government when it truly needs tending to, as they may have a few months out of the year, when congress was in session. Reflecting on the Sander's movement, I can empathize, because to the ideals of the counter-culture and many liberals i've spoken to agree on Libertarian principle's: economic and personal freedom; however, it's the form of execution the ideals separate from reality. There's progress when we can agree on step one of liberty. True net neutrality, the freedom to create and run one's own business, and lead whatever personal life as long as it does not violate the golden rule.

Yet, here people are, up in arms, skipping to step 10. In the shadow of the New World, where the government nanny with her cronies and bullies lash out. What works it the big question, because the people in government are not farmers or land surveyors, they know nothing of competition, outside of the election. And whether it is Republican or Democrat, fear rules the day. Fear, the mind killer. "Donald Trump, the rapist King." How far off is this fear game from the, "Just Say No" drug era? It reminds me of a Ron Paul interview in the 80's, when he ran as a Libertarian, with what seemed like little backing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCxDrfs4GtM (What will happen when the drug users finally, freely get their drug? Will they kill everyone else, before they kill themselves?)

A Democracy will only survive if the people believe in the intelligence and wisdom of the people. Only within a generation, can we let that slip in-between the fingers.

In forethought, history repeats itself. It's all fun and game to speculate, think, and utopiaze (utopiize) for a better future, but to ignore the past proves there is no foundation to idealize upon. Back in the New Deal days, at the suns setting to World War 2, and the end of Franklin Roosevelt's life, he speculated upon competing with the Soviet Union economically rather than militarily. Before dying, and Truman wielding the "big stick" with nuke's, that test of history was, and would be the survival of the Communist blok economic system versus the ever-evolving Democracy in the face of the pseudo-global cooling war. The latter clearly failed, and has failed in every other economic form. What works? Hong Kong, the US, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Singapore, and there's more i'm too drunk to think of. But what worked for them? What was most effective, but economic freedom.

It is funny, that the anti-christ of Voat, Hillary Clinton, was a Goldwater supporter. Goldwater, whom is, in some part, attributed to the Libertarian Parties origin's. Like I said, no movement is perfect, and it symbolically relates to the one ring to rule them all.

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[–] Mylon 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Approximately 60% of the population is neither republican nor democrat, but are forced to vote that way because the remaining votes are split too much to win in a First Past the Post voting system, and then the system maintains the two parties via the spoiler effect. The "silent majority" is nothing new but rather a natural consequence of our voting system and these people are not represented at all. Worse is once the two parties are established is they don't even need to cater to their original 20% anymore and instead only have to be less of a shitbag than the other guys. Thus the slide into oligarchy.

Our entire political system is fucked and it's all thanks to first past the post voting.

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[–] gr8H8er 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Wasn't it Franklin that said "Democracy is a wolf and a sheep arguing over what's for dinner"? Our founders decided on a constitutional democratic Republic.

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[–] duckingwhitemale 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

We'll my whole class turned 18 and voted for obama then did it again, and he really didn't do anything. It's not that we were apolitical we were just never challenged to look deeper than the D beside the name.

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[–] forgotoldpass 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Agreed, burning down life makes room for growth. Forrest fires are a good example, tearing everything down for new things to occur.

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[–] Hopium 2 points 24 points (+26|-2) ago 

Join me for a toke on this hopium pipe, friend.

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[–] Inaminit 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

I got a sack of Scooby Snacks...

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[–] julian_assanger 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

See! Not only leftist psychos have goodie bags!

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[–] TruthBot0001 1 points 23 points (+24|-1) ago 

You have left the matrix. Welcome to the world of the real..

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[–] AOU 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Protip: Don't trust Cypher.

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[–] Antipodes 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

And don't go to Morpheus's rave parties, they have shit music.

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[–] Anoxim 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

Never let the plebs know your power level. Also don't hangout with lunatics.

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