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[–] vandilx 3 points 39 points (+42|-3) ago 

If you purposely buy an Internet-connected speaker whose advertised job is to listen out for you to call it's name, it's sending everything it's hearing to a remote server for analysis to determine if its name was being called. Where that data goes/is_stored is unknown.

Same with leaving your iPhone set to respond to "Hey Siri."

If you do any of this, you have fucked yourself, even if your life is uninteresting and you commit no crimes, you have bugged your own home and self.

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[–] BlueBerryPie [S] 2 points 14 points (+16|-2) ago  (edited ago)

During the past 5 years, every SAMSUNG "Smart TV" has a mike and sending home to MOM, everything it hear's 24/7 as long as your plugged in the wall. I unplug all my TV made after 2007 that I'm not watching at that moment in time.

Even when the TV is "OFF" all modern TV's automatically connect to WIFI and stream all audio home, the argument is for AI training, but in reality, like this article the purpose is life-long law enforcement, or more so like the movie "V for Vendetta", where the GOV all over the world wants to listen and gauge the mental state of its captives.


The shit will always been used against you insurance company's will demand the audio to deny claims, any good lawyer can fabricate anything from silence to convince a jury that your were beating the meat when driving the car, and the accident was your FAULT.

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[–] Norm85 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

My samsung "smart tv" is blocked on my router and is not allowed access to the home LAN.

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[–] tribblepuncher 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago  (edited ago)

The shit will always been used against you insurance company's will demand the audio to deny claims

This is probably the point where the idiots who say "you're paranoid, lol" to so many privacy concerns get a nice, big slap in the face.

It seems like one of the few real psychological lines is the pocketbook, and this is where it goes squarely into that. Unfortunately by the time it happens, it may be too late to do much about it, and even if it isn't, it's going to be a very, very tough battle.

Even if you somehow are a perfect angel at home, your kids are going to do something to raise your premiums while your back is turned.

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[–] Drunkenmoba 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

If they don't have wifi it's not an issue. But different tvs

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[–] Longsword 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I let LG Oled connect to wifi for streaming Netflix etc, but voice/microphone had a separate user agreement that I never accepted, so I can't use it, and they cant use it.

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[–] advan 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

It doesn't send everything it hears to a server to determine the activation keyword. The keyword activation is done at the hardware level, and once activated it sends anything following that to the server.

It wouldn't work to stream audio 24/7 to a server for analysis, it's entirely too costly.

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[–] weezkitty 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

The bandwidth consumption would also become obvious

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[–] VOTINGUP 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Point taken, though if one becomes an interest to fake authorities, it gives them the technology to target certain individuals to stream 24/7 audio?!$.

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[–] TheCuckFather 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Nothing is done at hardware, its all software, perhaps your not aware that the wifi chips are largely micro-code which is software.

They don't have to stream audio 24/7, they just have to stream live, compress to 4khz bandwidth and every 5 min send 5 min history home to mom, it takes the server only a moment to search for 'keywords' ( like bomb, ... ) then the stream get's stored according to your 'fingerprint' ( unique browser ID from your HW ).

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[–] dontreadit 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

That's not completely true, the "Hey Siri" detection works on the device itself. After that however, the recordings are sent to Apple.

Creepy sidenote though: For cases in which detection was reported as wrong they have people listening to recordings and typing what the correct meaning would have been to train the AI.

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[–] tossbow 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It's outsourced to random people, too, it's not even done super internally. However, the recordings are reviewed anonymously, at least.

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[–] trazzz 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Why someone shuold buy an internet-connected speaker? I don't even trust the microphone of my phone....

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[–] advan 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

For the same reason you own a smart phone.

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[–] nogods_nokings 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

not only is big brother watching, he's sitting in your living room eating your doritos and drinking your beer. jesus fuck this shit is scary, and we eat it up.

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[–] VOTINGUP 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

It's not scary it's their goal to scare you, strap on some balls?!$.

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[–] gazillions 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

When you'd sell out your freedom and individuality to keep from having to get off your own ass to turn the lights on I think you've made yourself redundant. I barely remember reading Dune a million years ago but I do recall some obese ogreish people who were hoisted along through life on some kind of moving trolley straps. That's what I think of the people who jump on every new techie thing.

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[–] nmgoh2 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Your phone, TV, Xbox, and literally anything internet connected that has a microphone is or can be listening.

I think the prevailing mentality is that privacy is pretty much gone anyway, so you may as well get some usefulness out of it.

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[–] HeavyBeefCurtain 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Dumb enough to put a LISTENING POST in the comfort of your own home

Man, some people are really fucking stupid.

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[–] dontreadit 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago 

While I won't advise anyone to use let alone buy an Echo, nothing at this point points to the conclusion that it actually records 24/7. It rather listens 24/7 for the wakeup word ("Alexa") and records anything and all after that up until a longer moment of silence. These recordings are sent to Amazon's server where they will be kept for God knows how long. Surely it might have recognized the wakup word in error and you can bet Amazon surely will have to give the NSA and probably some law enforcement agencies stealth access to record at anytime they want - but there's nothing that hints at 24/7 recordings being the norm.

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[–] VOTINGUP 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Well if they are mistakenly interested they could just flip a switch giving them 24/7 audio?!$.

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[–] advan 4 points 1 points (+5|-4) ago 

That's because recording 24/7 is NOT the norm. The article title is premium click bait for the paranoid. Could the government tap into your Echo or smart phone and listen in actively? Of course they can. To think though that they're listening to everything everyone says all the time is crazy. Those people have no concept of data storage and retention.

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[–] jinbnters 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Is there really a difference between those two? No matter how you think about it it is an internet connected listening device, its just a bad idea. Theres too much potential for it to be bad or turn bad. Say NSA gets a blanket warrant for an area or in their usual capacity doesn't bother, tomorrow it very well could be turned on to listen 24x7 and you'd never know.

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[–] TeranNotTerran 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I don't think they would save the recorded audio anywhere. Lot of data to store. If you opt into a "help us develop this product by using audio samples" option, then almost certainly. Other than that, I would be surprised if they or the device had this data.

While you could hold a lot of it fairly easily with speex and the narrow band you need for speech, it just isn't worth it to the company to deal with this. While I don't think I'd have one in my own home for many reasons, Amazon actively saving the audio increases their legal risk.

Someone who develops for Alexa could probably tell you if the processing happens on the device or upstream. I think what happens, is the device speech to texts the data, then sends the words up to the possible apps installed. Those are hosted on AWS, I believe. So there may be logs of text words. But of speech itself? Eh. Leaning towards not.

I talked to a guy who developed for it. It sounded like you had to provide all words and permutations for it to match. It seemed kind of stupid that way. No notion of wildcards. It might even be happening all on the device. I do think with Apple, Siri won't work unless it's online. But it may again just be working with the text output and not speech.

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[–] prairie 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Google saves all audio for "OK Google", and even lets you go back and listen to it (so you can use it as a simple voice memo system). It's almost certain that Amazon saves all the audio for commands to its Echo.

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[–] TeranNotTerran 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Ugh, no kidding: https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/6030020?hl=en

Like I said, the purpose is supposedly for development: "Help recognize your voice and improve speech recognition by storing your voice and audio inputs to your account (for example, when you say "Ok Google" to do a voice search)."

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[–] meowski 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

"smart speakers" just WTF. Don't invest your money in such technologies. Speakers do not need to be "smart" Speakers make sound. Calling them "speakers" is idiotic. A speaker doesn't need embedded IOT spyware. That's a MICROPHONE+RECORDING DEVICE not a "speaker." How deceptive. Amazon can kiss mi culero.

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[–] bulldog65 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Bluffdale data center. I was gonna put something witty after I typed that, but then I looked at the words. Bluffdale data center.

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