You are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

0
1

[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Also, criminals generally steal guns rather than buy them

The obvious counterpoint is that if there's no guns to steal, criminals will be unarmed. A stronger point is "criminals generally buy guns on the black market." Probably more accurate too.

0
3

[–] kneo24 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Guns will still exist, it will just be harder to get them. If we 100% outlaw guns right now, guns will still be in the hands of anyone who previously owned a gun. Those who want a "new" gun will need to look hard for it, but is still obtainable.

0
0

[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Right. Hence why it's important to emphasise black market rather than stolen gun. Stolen guns aren't the only source of guns on the black market.

0
1

[–] Alopix 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah my phrasing was shitty there. But if someone raised the point about there not being guns to steal, I'd tell them that even if civilians are disarmed, the cops will never disarm, and this happens:

http://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/MddP3JcmX669lMALbol3SP/

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-lost-guns-used-kill-innocent-people/

http://tucson.com/news/local/watchdog/article_82e3712d-7cae-56ec-bfc5-8b427a1b77d8.html

http://fox6now.com/2016/04/17/police-weapons-missing-stolen/

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/09/cleveland_police_supervisors_g.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/elmwood-park/news/ct-elm-elmwood-policeguns-tl-1103-20161028-story.html

http://globegazette.com/news/local/article_05fb7820-04b6-5c72-bfba-597bd84ed3f2.html

Not to mention that shit will still be coming over the border from Mexico(well, soon that won't happen as much, at least. But then, an administration keen on banning guns like this would likely also take down the wall)

0
1

[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That's also a very good point actually.