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[–] Alopix 0 points 57 points (+57|-0) ago 

From where does the government derive the right to disarm its people, and to what end?

It's not only that we need guns, it's that the government doesn't need the power to take them from us.

Also, criminals generally steal guns rather than buy them

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[–] go1dfish 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago  (edited ago)

From where does the government derive the right to disarm its people, and to what end?

Yeah, I'd like to know the same about their authority to take a third of my income every year while we're at it.

The truth is the only thing that gives them the "right" to take your guns or your money is the fact that they have so many guns to begin with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

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[–] xeemee 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Yeah, I'd like to know the same about their authority to take a third of my income every year while we're at it.

OH NO YOU DON'T - you don't want to go down that rabbit hole :)

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Also, criminals generally steal guns rather than buy them

The obvious counterpoint is that if there's no guns to steal, criminals will be unarmed. A stronger point is "criminals generally buy guns on the black market." Probably more accurate too.

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[–] kneo24 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Guns will still exist, it will just be harder to get them. If we 100% outlaw guns right now, guns will still be in the hands of anyone who previously owned a gun. Those who want a "new" gun will need to look hard for it, but is still obtainable.

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[–] Alopix 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah my phrasing was shitty there. But if someone raised the point about there not being guns to steal, I'd tell them that even if civilians are disarmed, the cops will never disarm, and this happens:

http://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/MddP3JcmX669lMALbol3SP/

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-lost-guns-used-kill-innocent-people/

http://tucson.com/news/local/watchdog/article_82e3712d-7cae-56ec-bfc5-8b427a1b77d8.html

http://fox6now.com/2016/04/17/police-weapons-missing-stolen/

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/09/cleveland_police_supervisors_g.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/elmwood-park/news/ct-elm-elmwood-policeguns-tl-1103-20161028-story.html

http://globegazette.com/news/local/article_05fb7820-04b6-5c72-bfba-597bd84ed3f2.html

Not to mention that shit will still be coming over the border from Mexico(well, soon that won't happen as much, at least. But then, an administration keen on banning guns like this would likely also take down the wall)