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[–] ShillBuster 118 points 52 points (+170|-118) ago 

Good post. Right to the point, for the most part.

I agree with the principle of your arguments, but my issue is a practical one. Asking Americans to give up their guns is like asking them to cut off their dicks. The gun industry is worth tens of billions of dollars in the US -- and that's just the declared profit, without counting the black market stuff. People tend to be a bit reluctant to give up that kind of money. Plus, arms dealers aren't necessarily known as being the most reasonable people anyway.

I'm surprised I got in first, tbh. Asking for, "any thoughts" is pretty much like showing a red rag to a bull.

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[–] guinness2 1 points 55 points (+56|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I'm surprised I got in first, tbh.

I'm permanently in a state of surprise these days.

  • So tell me, if you believe that guns aren't a valid form of protection or self defense, do you think the American Military / Defense Force should stop using guns too?

  • What do you think is the most effective strategy to get gangs and crime syndicates to hand over their guns to the authorities?

  • How do you suppose a disarmed public should protect itself from a corrupt government / domestic enemies?

That last dot point is an important one - hypothetically: if Hillary Clinton was successful in committing widespread electoral fraud and ending our Constitutional right to participate in free elections with the intention of raping our country into a Mugabe-style corruption-driven dictatorship, how would a disarmed population defend themselves against her and her police and military once she owned us like chattel?

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[–] 8Hz_WAN_IP 1 points 61 points (+62|-1) ago 

He got in first because it is the same guy posting under an alt. This thread did not get upvoted organically.

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[–] tribblepuncher 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago  (edited ago)

How do you suppose a disarmed public should protect itself from a corrupt government / domestic enemies?

You aren't. That's the point. The government, under this model, is the sole user of force, leading individuals to be protected by words and words alone, in a country where freedom of speech is slowly choked to death in a manner where it technically still exists but your life is systematically destroyed if you try to exercise it.

Of course, we all know that and this is a shill account mass-dumping upvoats, so we really shouldn't be surprised.

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[–] Ashra 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago  (edited ago)

with thunderous applause... (the retard cucks anyways)

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[–] DoestThouEvenLift 15 points 4 points (+19|-15) ago  (edited ago)

So tell me, if you believe that guns aren't a valid form of protection or self defense

I don't think it's a case of "belief". OP agreed that guns can be used for self-defence, but they just factually aren't a form of protection. Guns don't stop bullets, cars, planes or even flying squirrels from killing you.

What do you think is the most effective strategy to get gangs and crime syndicates to hand over their guns to the authorities?

Your question seems to be grounded in the circular reasoning that, since gangs probably won't want to give up their weapons, we should encourage gangs to buy weapons by legalising them. Imagine if we took the same attitude with murder? Gang members won't stop killing folks? Well, shit. Let's just legalise murder! Is that your plan?

There is of course a logical answer to your question, but I get the impression that you don't want to hear it. You simply slap large mandatory prison sentences on anybody found in possession of a gun. You give people five years for carrying a piece when they only get two for larceny and people will be throwing their guns at you.

How do you suppose a disarmed public should protect itself from a corrupt government

Again, your question is based on the false reasoning that guns protect you from a corrupt government right now. Haven't you spent the last six months spamming Voat with tales about Hillary's "corruption"? Well, what have your guns done to stop it?

Fuck all is the answer you are looking for, my good friend.

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[–] piratse 1 points 38 points (+39|-1) ago 

Why does an 8 day old account that is saying the opposite of the average voater have +133 upvoats and -43 votes? That's a LOT from a 2 hour old post......... VERY sketchy. For example a recent Pizza gate thread with over 400 upvoats, the top comment has +49 votes....... Looks like a bot to me!!

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[–] MiMx 1 points 22 points (+23|-1) ago 

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." -- George Washington

“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference. When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour.” -- George Washington, Address to 1st session of Congress

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[–] carlinco 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago 

Which to me implies that the right to keep arms includes not only the light weapons allowed right now.

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[–] Sonic 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

http://www.snopes.com/george-washington-gun-quote/

Second one is a real quote, but by C.S. Wheatly

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[–] MiMx 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

“A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies.” ― George Washington

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[–] carlinco 5 points -4 points (+1|-5) ago 

What he's saying here is, get a job before you get guns. But if you do work hard, get guns, too.