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[–] dv1155 5 points 100 points (+105|-5) ago 

Hillary supports full, Australian style gun confiscation. Still supporting trump.

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[–] Wattersun 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

Exactly. Look at the alternative to Trumps opinion and realize in this one case he would be the lesser of two evils.

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[–] pessimisticsteel 1 points 27 points (+28|-1) ago 

Its still evil.

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[–] BuddyBuzzkill 12 points 5 points (+17|-12) ago 

You're forgetting the other alternative. Gary Johnson doesn't want any limits to your rights. He knows "gun free zones" are fucking retarded and restrictions like that make us less safe. But god forbid they let him in one of the debates and let the public know there's a candidate out there that actually supports their rights!

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[–] BeauDacious 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Why vote for the lesser of the 2 evils?

You've clearly failed to consider the greatest evil. https://cthulhuforamerica.com/

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[–] I_like_paint 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Lesser of two evils is right.

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[–] SocialJustice_Wario 5 points 1 points (+6|-5) ago 

You're assuming trump isn't blowing smoke up your ass.

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[–] damnittohell 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

This guy has a decent explanation for when Trump does things like this.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150919416661/why-i-switched-my-endorsement-from-clinton-to

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[–] misaeldodsonQbt 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago 

You don't have to vote by default just because you don't vote for Clinton…

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[–] Crawdadie17 5 points 49 points (+54|-5) ago 

Or just keep fucking Muslims out of the country and in their shithole countries. They can rape kill and behead eachother over whichever of Mohammad's balls had been bitten by a goat. And there ya go without Muslims you can eliminate 99% of terrorists.

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[–] fr33europe 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Buy this man a beer

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[–] ginx2666 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Careful, you don't want to be labelled as "domestic terrorist" for liking stuff Trump's administration wouldn't. What he said sounds like a good plan, to clueless morons of course, but I see a political weapon. Clinton is the obvious evil, Trump is hidden one.

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[–] jasotastic 3 points 32 points (+35|-3) ago 

If he is as committed as he says to helping people get off of the list who don't belong there (the followup to the statement you mentioned) then I don't really see the problem. It's not necessarily a lifetime ban, unless someone needs to be there, so taking a couple of extra weeks to get a handgun doesn't give me enough pause to vote against Trump.

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[–] Mylon 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

The list is a means to bypass due process. Making it possible to get off the list is still guilty until proven innocent.

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[–] ShinyVoater 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

The "no fly, no buy" legislation that actually got introduced gave the FBI three days to come up with a real reason to block you or you were automatically removed.

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[–] ForUs 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

It is by definition illegal and unconstitutional. Period. You are saying you don't have a problem with the destruction of human rights in the United States. That's not an exaggeration. You are actively advocating the end of due process. You advocate the solicitation of the state to grant rights to you. Which, BTW, means human rights literally no longer exist as they are now all privileges to be granted at the whim of the state. To be granted only after you can prove your worthiness to the state.

According to you, the state can torture you and your family until you beg the state's permission to no longer be tortured. And they will only stop after they decide to recognize that maybe you shouldn't be tortured. That is, only after the state acknowledges that torturing you and your family is not in their interest.

This is not hyperbole. Destroying due process is no small thing. If you have your rights denied, the state better have proven it's in society's best interest before having done so - not afterwards. Otherwise it's a totalitarian dystopia. I honestly do not believe you or any of those who up voted your comment actually understand what it is you support.

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[–] Namrok 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

Yeah, he momentarily lost me, and then got me back around here too. Giving the list more oversight, and recourse to object, basically introducing some due process into what is ostensibly a legal punishment.

It's not complete due process. That would involve being actually charged with a crime before you get put on the terrorist watch list. But it's better than nothing.

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[–] common_sense 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Well I support the Constitution. This is a blatant violation of our 5th amendment.

We are losing freedoms left and right. This is not the time to make exceptions.

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[–] Titus-of-Voat 0 points 28 points (+28|-0) ago 

That worried me as well.

At least Trump mentioned helping people wrongly accused getting off the list, but that is little consolation.

All in all, Trump is a very authoritarian candidate. Stop and frisk is a dangerous grey area too. I'm slightly in support of that, but it's easy for me, as I'm white and live in a suburb. Still when we start going into these grey areas, where does it stop?

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[–] 6423199 [S] 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

Yeah, that is what I like the least about Trump. Authoritarians can fuck right the fuck off... Hell the NSA has been stopping and frisking our computers for years/decades but, no one seems to give a damn about that because it's not some hood rat that they can use to exploit money out of the government.

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[–] Hey_Sunshine 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

What I find more abhorrent is how a false flag operation destroyed Iraq, Yemen, Iran and faith in my government. Politicians jobs aren't difficult and they're on capitol hill, the idea is simple. Out with the current politico class. give em pensions and tell em retire or die. cannot come back under penalty of death. then we return to the roots of democracy and make politicians jobs a civil chore, automate 90% of it and remove the element of corruption, as much as possible.

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[–] Quawonk 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Trump will increase the police/spy state, using terrorism as the excuse. The more things change...

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[–] markrod420 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

You are correct. And as evidence it is already happening with felonies. Every day our govt becomes more and more overbearing. Charging people with felony crimes and taking their rights for totally unacceptable reasons.

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[–] Lobotomy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This is true, and it's why millions of Americans are being taxed without representation.

It's almost as if people like the sound of those words but don't really know what they mean

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[–] facepaint 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

When Trump made that statement, he specifically stated that there would also of course have to be a process for discovering if you are on that list and a process to get your name removed from that list. That is one hell of a lot better than what we have right now. As it stands, you have to show up at an airport and not be able to fly, but still won't be told if your name is on the list or not. And there is no process to get your name removed either.

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[–] RedditisPropaganda31 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The no fly list should not be connected to a persons 2nd Amendment rights. Period. Fucking, toddlers are on the no fly list now.

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[–] RedditisPropaganda31 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Anyone can get in the no fly list. Even toddlers. There is no due process. THIS IS JUST A GUN-GRAB.

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[–] SackOfSteel 8 points 7 points (+15|-8) ago 

It's clear that Trump threw the debate last night because he literally remained silent at times when we all knew what the obvious counter-argument was. Some are saying that Trump is simply bad at debating, but that's not it, because there were times when the counter-infornation to raise was so obvious and yet he never brought it up. He never even blamed her for directly supporting ISIS. No mention of Benghazi and arming ISIS in Libya. No mention of how it was Bill Clinton's drug policies that put the blacks and Hispanics in jail for non violent crimes, as Hillary was complaining about. There were a lot of examples where Trump basically remained silent when the obvious opportunity presented itself to make her look bad.

Now I don't believe that Trump is that bad at debating. I believe this is a repeat of the Romney vs Obama debate where Romney was asked to take a fall in the second and third debates against Obama after destroying him in the first. It's widely accepted that Romney was asked to take a fall in the debates to let Obama win, and that's exactly what I saw with Trump last night. Trump isn't just bad at debating. He literally chose to omit the most condemning information which directly related to arguments she was presenting. Some of the counter-arguments were so obvious and yet Trump never even brought them up. He did it on purpose. Trump is deliberately throwing the debate like Romney did vs Obama.

Here's what you don't understand. Trump and Clinton are both being run by the same special interest groups, which is primarily Goldman Sachs as well as the Rothschilds. Both the Clinton and the Trump family will be completely Jewish within one generation. Hillary Clinton's grandchildren are Jewish as are all of Donald Trump's grandchildren. All 4 of Donald Trump's adult aged children are married to Jews and every single one of his grandkids are Jewish. His daughter Ivanka already converted to Judaism too. His campaign is being run by Bannon, an ex Goldman Sachs banker and Trump has also hired ex CIA director James Woosley as a top camping advisor and Woosley works for the Rothschilds in a company called Genie Energy. Trump is in with the Zionists. They even show pro-Trump ads in Israel saying that Trump will be a good friend to Israel because he has Jewish family. Let's also not forget how Trump and the Clintons were friends prior to this election.

Trump is deliberately throwing the debates.

I wasn't sure what they had planned with him though, but now it's obvious. They basically used Trump to give the people a little fake revolution to avoid a real dude like Trump coming along that they don't control. He's deliberately throwing the debates and letting Hilary outshine him. I fucking hate Hillary, trust me, but she looked brilliant out there last night. I would have destroyed her though. I'd fucking love an opportunity to debate Hillary.

You know Trump threw the debate because Hillary walked off thay stage looking good and she's one of the dirtiest and easiest people to make look bad.

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[–] 6423250 [S] 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I can agree with you on Trump was holding back that was obvious. I think he was worried about appearing to be a monster kicking an old lady. I can't however agree on the Jews part. I think people like you give them way to much credit. And if that credit is really deserved then they truly are the master race of gods chosen people. Personally I think they just study and work hard while supporting their own as much as possible. White people used to do that, it's a shame we forgot how.

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[–] SackOfSteel 4 points 2 points (+6|-4) ago 

Well what the Jews do is no different than how a Mafia operates. The Italian mafia used to be considered a conspiracy until 1957 btw. Jews corrupt politicians just like the mafia does. Everything the Zionists do is admitted. There is no conspiracy anymore dude. They've supplanted the Anglo Saxon elites of Western civilization. They admit this.

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[–] hiyageorgie 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I think he's a saving his silver bullets for closer to voting time because people have short memories. He will unload soon.

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[–] dontdoxxmebro 4 points 2 points (+6|-4) ago 

Wow, it did not take you long to simply go with, lets blame the Jews! Throw a jew down the well so my country can be free!

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[–] piratse 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

A bit off topic but I was thinking the other day how through almost all of history, every country and kingdom has tried to get the jews out of their land. There must be some reason for this.

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[–] Quawonk 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I've always had the idea in the back of my mind that trump is part of the plan, so no matter who wins, the Clintons and their globalists masters win. This makes me believe it even more.

They basically used Trump to give the people a little fake revolution to avoid a real dude like Trump coming along that they don't control.

Although he's not Trump, and he's a dyed in the wool SJW, I think Bernie was a real threat to the globalists, which is why he's out of it now. Wikileaks says he was threatened (http://bients.com/julian-assange-confirms-sanders-threatened/)) and I don't doubt that one bit. I think everyone here on Voat is familiar with the Clinton Body Count (something else Trump refuses to talk about) and, well, I think you catch my drift.

I could've done without all that shit about Jews, however. 'Globalists' would've been just fine because that's what it really is, regardless of religion/race, etc.

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