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[–] Bainshie 2 points 44 points (+46|-2) ago 

Not really, it's one of those very easily debunked "feel good communist circle jerk" images:

http://i.imgur.com/L1axh.jpg

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[–] joseremarque 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

It's true that in a perfect free market all profits are attributable to the factors above and economic profits are zero. However in the real world, political power, rent seeking, and inheritance mean that those with wealth accumulate more of it simply by virtue of their position and not based on the economic value of their contribution. This isn't inherent to capitalism but rather varies based on the political organization of a given society.

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[–] flyawayhigh 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

OMFG. Someone who knows what "free market" means. I can retire now.

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[–] Dontcensormebro 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You actually couldn't be more incorrect.

  1. Nobody says that in free markets economic profits are zero. Of course the entrepreneur makes profits, if he didn't make substantial profits there would be no incentive to even start a business. The thing that many socialists forget is that businesses also take LOSSES. So, the idea that these greedy businessmen are exploiting there workers and making easy money while they sit on their ass is patently false. If they don't run their business well and provide people with goods they want to buy, they go out of business. See tower records, circuit city, blockbusters etc. So many of these corporations that people see as greedy and monopolistic don't last.

  2. Inheritance dynasties are EXTREMELY rare. The amount of fluidity between the poor, middle class, upper class and so called "1%ers" is very high. Alot of 1%ers don't even stay in the 1% for their whole life, let alone for generations. Over the last 50 years or so, the income gap has widened, this is true, but the mobility among income groups has stayed the same (quite high) and the standard of living as increased dramatically as well. So called "middle class" people, have a better quality of life than the 1%ers 50 years ago. This is the kind of stuff senile bernie sanders doesnt want to talk about. Socialists at times seem like they are merely jealous that people have more than them, and would rather people be miserable together than everyone better, but some better off than others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okHGCz6xxiw

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/01/04/making-it-to-the-1-and-staying-there/

  1. And it seems that you have some beef with crony capitalism, and I agree, I think that ideally our markets would be freer but if you look at history, crony capitalism has a far better record than crony socialism. See nazi germany, ussr, china (they are finally opening their markets to capitalism and what a surprise, the people are better off and their economy is booming) and most recently venezuela. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/11385294/Venezuelas-socialist-paradise-turns-into-a-nightmare-medical-shortages-claim-lives-as-oil-price-collapses.html

Crony capitalism gives you the telephone, the plane, the internet, the personal computer, gps, blue tooth, the mars rover etc. etc. etc.

Crony socliasm gives you food shortages, medication shortages, and people dying due to starvation. (see my link about venezuela.

So in summary, your statements and your marxist beliefs have been proven wrong by logic, statistics, and historical examples over and over and over that is why people that have actually studied economics and history are annoyed when people post these marxist propaganda cartoons. I think that due to the poor public education system people aren't getting good basic economic or historical teaching, so there is this new generation who is buying into the marxist ideology without looking at the facts and history. Do some reading please, and educate yourself so you don't get brainwashed by propaganda.

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[–] Bainshie 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Nobody claims however that ALL PROFITS EVER MADE are attributable to these factors: But that enough are that it is one of the major factors:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/luisakroll/2014/03/03/inside-the-2014-forbes-billionaires-list-facts-and-figures/

Roughly two-thirds of the billionaires built their own fortunes, 13% inherited them and 21% have been adding on to fortunes they received.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/25/luxury/family-wealth/

Nearly 60% of the time a family's money is exhausted by the children of the person who created the wealth, according to Roy Williams, president of wealth consultancy The Williams Group. In 90% of the cases it's gone by the time the grandchildren die.

Don't get me wrong, not everyone has an equal footing, some people have it easier, some people have it harder, and having money makes it easier to makemoney, however nobody is claiming every single rich person that existed earned it via hard work. However there seems to be a correlation between maintaining wealth, and earning it (Which is why a lot of people who win huge sums of money end up losing it all).

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[–] binky 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Nevertheless capitalism* is the best system that's been widely tested and is known to work.

*I didn't say "unfettered capitalism"

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[–] ratherplaychess 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

and this top comment is why I love voat. Stay based.

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[–] Aragorn_ 3 points 21 points (+24|-3) ago 

The greatest cartoon ever...that demonstrates socialists have room temperature IQs.

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[–] Justinw303 1 points 19 points (+20|-1) ago 

Maybe try posting this crap in a socialism or lefty-anarchist subverse.

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[–] fruitViking [S] 2 points 10 points (+12|-2) ago 

It's also relevant to this sub. That's how /r/politics became such a circlejerk. Have a dissenting opinion? Post it on a different sub, or get downvoted through the floor. It'll be interesting to see if Voat is any different.

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[–] umpaloompa 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Although I agree with you. This cartoon looks like propaganda in every form. A fascist/capitalist can also start putting cartoons which put socialism/communism in a bad light.

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[–] Mindboozer 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

No this is just crap. Thats how r/politics went to hell. Shit posting.

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[–] kujda 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I'm starting to really really like the people on VOAT. Just read the comments bashing the commies...ahhh, home :)

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[–] Sextron 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Man, came to post about how this was just poorly veiled communist/socialist propaganda, but everyone beat me to it. Maybe this site won't have the crazy echo-chamber reddit does.

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FALAFEL 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Again with the far-left cartoons? I escaped reddit to not see this

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[–] fleas 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Muh triggers!!!1!!!!1!!!

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FALAFEL 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

I love how you liberals are the ones who promote safe spaces and more of that crap.

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[–] fleas 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

30% labor cost. He must be selling a ton of volume to overcome his other expenses.

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[–] Robert_Baratheon 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

It's almost as if socialists have a very shallow understanding of business and private enterprise.... huh.

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[–] fleas 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Let me keep going from the workers perspective. If the machine operator gets all $50. What does the worker at the power plant get? The guy that goes around collecting the completed product from the operator and moves it to where it will be stored? How about the guy that cleans the floors and trash? What about the guy that coordinates all of these things? Every one of those is working on the product.

The problem with the factory owner isn't that he gets paid but that he most likely games the system to keep his competition from entering the market. So instead of the workers being able to pool their funds and start their own collective factory the boss uses the money that could have been spread among his workers to influence politics so they can't get ahead.

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[–] Caboose_Calloway 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Quite relevant today as people are scared of robots taking their jobs.

So I call this excavator at a construction site I'm working at to dig a trench. The workers near me:

"Boss don't give 'em our job. We dig the trench you pay us instead k?"

Half an hour later when all of them are sweaty as dogs with tongues hanging out from exertion:

"Boss this job too hard, you call the excavator. We want only normal job. No extra pls."

So I guess it boils down to who owns the excavator (or the robots for that matter). If you own the robots you continue to earn money. Instead of being a part of the herd you become a robot herder.

Then another problem will arise - If everybody has robots nobody will buy your robot's services, but this is another problem altogether.

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[–] rastan 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

You hinted at a greater problem at the end, how do you spread money around if robots (and/ or software) can do everything better than a person?

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[–] Caboose_Calloway 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Exactly. If there is overabundance of robots and services why do you need money at all? To exchange natural resources. But why do you need to exchange resources if there is overabundance of everything?

The 1%'er will think immediately "I must insure that robots are licensed and not sold. I want planned obsolescence in everything. I must create artificial scarcity of resources."

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[–] Hagbard_Celine 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Remember though, the goal is not "work", the goal is "wealth". If automated production drops prices to stunningly low prices (as it has proven to do throughout thousands of years of recorded history) then these products are available to more and more people, increasing their wealth.

If the free market were unshackled by the State the average person's wealth would be far greater than it is now. People would need to work few hours per week to live a comfortable life.

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[–] Bleak_Morn 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Instead of being a part of the herd you become a robot herder. I bought a Roomba to clean my floors. Now I spend my time cleaning robots.

Quite relevant today as people are scared of robots taking their jobs. Robots are great for mind-numbingly repetitive low-intellect work. If your job is so senseless that you can be replaced by a robot, having it automated frees you up to make a more valuable contribution to society. As you pointed out, creating jobs is easy - just ban shovels.

Of course, I'm a fan of leisure. Leisure is the product of labor-saving devices so I'd like more, not less.

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