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[–] beren 1 point -1 points 0 points (+0|-1) ago
OK good talk. Let me know if you ever come up with any actual arguments, facts, or evidence besides your goofy assertions and name calling.
[–] Crashmarik [S] 1 point -1 points 0 points (+0|-1) ago
Oh don't worry I have you pegged as the idiot that thinks people pay taxes because they like to.
[–] beren 1 point -1 points 0 points (+0|-1) ago
The argument is "no violence". If you want to make the argument that we can only have taxes if we have violence, then make that argument. The libertarian philosophy says you can have a system where you help the poor, build roads, have national defense, but you have to be smart enough to do it without having to resort to violence.
I make the argument that people would pay to maintain infrastructure voluntarily instead of keeping all their money while their neighborhoods crumble around them. I don't think it would be a Mad Max-end-of-the-world scenario just because the IRS doesn't exist anymore. Americans gave over 258 Billion to charity in 2014, and that's not even for their own survival. Not to mention, just my own personal situation, I already pay a private company for my garbage service, and another for my electric power, I don't see why water, police protection, fire protection, public roadway maintenance, etc. would be any different
See what I did there? I gave an argument. This is what somebody does when they have a thought and they are able to convey it with words. If I didn't have an argument, I would just do what you do; I would stamp my feet and declare "but I just want to say I'm right, but I don't have any examples or evidence to back up my position!!!" and then call you names.
If you were on the right side of the argument, you would say something other than "It just wouldn't work" or resort to name calling. I'll even give you a clue, although I doubt you can actually make an argument:
Make an argument why society works only with the use of force. You have to explain why if we have a national defense the ONLY way it will actually work is to force people to pay for it, which means you have to prove that we couldn't pay for it without the use of force. And just saying "people just wouldn't pay" isn't an argument.