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[–] elcob32 12 points 37 points (+49|-12) ago 

Chelsea Manning is being charged for her own suicide attempt.

*Bradley Chelsea Manning is being charged for his her own suicide attempt.

I appreciate his sacrifice, but I refuse to validate his body dismorphia.

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[–] Roadchuster 4 points 4 points (+8|-4) ago  (edited ago)

That is not the scientific term for the condition that trans people have. The correct term supported by every single credible scientific organization is gender dysphoria. People in general have an internal punishment and reward system for gendered behavior, and people with gender dysphoria have brains that are intersex to extreme levels, causing the to be internally punished for behaving as the gender they appear to be, and rewarded for behaving as the gender they don't appear as.

If you really appreciate Manning's sacrifice, please consider the scientific evidence for this assertion on the issues related to this persons life.

There was an experiment carried out that is very important on this issue. Psychologists in 1965 had a theory that gender identity was completely learned through socialization, not biologically determined. David Reimer was a boy born at that time and happened to have a botched circumcision that greatly damaged his male reproductive organ. Surgeons at the time had the capability of creating female reproductive organs, but not male ones, and psychologists wanted to test their theory. So they decided to raise David as a girl. Doctors at that time valued heterosexual functioning to a high degree in patients, and David couldn't function with his damaged penis, which is another reason they wanted to make him a girl. They used something called hormone therapy to make David develop female characteristics growing. It's like simply putting batteries in a flashlight backwards and having it absorb light, but with flipping male and female sex hormones. I don't believe I have more time to talk about this therapy without putting in too much text. So a psychologist named John Money convinced the parents of David to forcibly raise him as a girl. This is a photo of him as a child. So he was raised as a girl. His body was absolutely very female, and everyone around him never questioned his gender. This treatment absolutely destroyed him however. He suffered great trauma throughout his early life, developing suicidal depression by the age of 13. He told his parents that if they took him to the psychologists doing the experiment one more time he would kill himself. When his father told David of his past, he decided at the point to live as a man. He then took testosterone injections to develop male characteristics. He tragically committed suicide later in his life. For the scientific community, this was hard lesson that gender identity was innate, not social.

So just think about this for a moment, why does raising a boy as a girl cause suicidal feelings if gender is 100% learned through socialization? That just shouldn't happen. The current scientific position on this issues is that the body has a system of rewards and punishments that force someone to generally act like the gender they're born as.

Then there is the existence of intersex people. There are men who've had female wombs inside them^[1], women who have XY chromosomes^[2], men born with female reproductive organs^[3] and many more strange conditions. The fact that there are so many people born intersex in every part of the body strongly suggests that some people can be born intersex of the brain. And that is absolutely true. There are men with female brain regions, and women with male regions. This study with a sample size of 1400 brains proves this.

So transgender people are simply people who are intersexed of the brain, and this is confirmed by many studies [1](http://www.jneurosci.org/content/34/46/15466.short?sid=e4e216f9-87d2-4f48-b902-9089ff98abb9 2 3 4. The gendered rewards and punishments transgender people have are flipped, so when they're forcibly raised as the gender they appear to be, they get very intense suicidal feelings. When their allowed to live as the gender that doesn't harm them, their suicidal feels are greatly reduced. Studies 100% confirm this. For instance a study was performed on transgender patients, asking them many questions, particularly "Have you attempted suicide, yes or no?" "How supportive are your parents, very unsupportive, unsupportive, supportive, or very supportive?". Of the participants who had "very unsupportive parents," as in parents who aggressively rejected current transgender medical treatments for their child, 57% of those participants committed suicide. And for the participants who have "very supportive parents," only 4% had attempted suicide. Source. Then I know of 9 more studies that indicate that after a hormonal transition, trans patients were found to have improved mental health: 1, 2 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 Then there are far, far more studies than I could possibly cite that back up my point. You can either spend hours researching these studies, like you should if you want to be a fair judge of an issue like this, or you can defer to the scientific community; the people who have spend hundreds and hundreds of hours researching these issues.

A few more things to understand is that hormone therapy is really effective and gives someone many biological traits of the opposite sex after birth. There is also a highly effective surgery that gives someone the genitals of the opposite sex, which work perfectly for social interaction but cannot be used to reproduce at the moment. The scientific community also has very effective procedures for dealing with transgender children, and you should first understand them before you criticize them. I could elaborate with many sources on these points but I do not want to take more of your time, but I will discuss them if someone wishes to debate.

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[–] elcob32 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

That is absolutely insane. It should not take several paragraphs of reference to figure out your gender.

It's as simple as:

Do you have a 'Y' chromosome?

If Yes Subject = Male

Else Subject = Female

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[–] A_Fringe_Element 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That is not the scientific term for the condition that trans people have.

The correct term is mental illness. Now shut up faggot.

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[–] AlphaWookie 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Faggot

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[–] DeltaBravoTango 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Why did you post the same thing with two accounts?

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[–] Diogenes_The_Cynic 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Regardless, when someone changes their name, you should call them by the new name, as that is the polite thing to do.

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[–] jackofdiamonds 13 points -3 points (+10|-13) ago 

She really doesn't care.

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[–] luckyguy 4 points 23 points (+27|-4) ago 

Obviously he does if he started asking people to call him a girl. It's funny how this only happened after his trouble. The law fucks you up psychologically. I think we should be honest about who Bradley Manning is.

He's a good guy that's been psychologically broken by his government and is crying out for help. We should remeber him as a hero.

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[–] mamwad 8 points 11 points (+19|-8) ago  (edited ago)

>Chelsea Manning
>violent

Anyway, transgender men are at severe risk of rape. Maybe we shouldn't house them all with women (though I don't see why not house the non-violent, non-sex offending with them), but they shouldn't be in a general population and they shouldn't be forced to live in solitary confinement.

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[–] rulloff_in_a_jar 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

They should probably recieve psychatric treatment for severe body dysmorphia.

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[–] AlphaWookie 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

A bullet is much cheaper, just sayin'

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[–] Sour 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

Fucking terrorist government. Clinton should be rotting in solitary confinement not Manning.

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[–] Konstamokh [S] 1 points 14 points (+15|-1) ago 

You'll hate me for this, but even Clinton shouldn't be rotting in solitary confinement if she poses no danger to other inmates. If you keep harmless people in solitary, it's just torture.

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[–] tibstibs 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I think that's the point.

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[–] GIF-lLL-S0NG 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago 

what if i told you that solitary is not intended to be torture it is supposed to be more humane than killing the prisoners?

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[–] kevdude 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Isn't the crime the fact that Bradley released ALL of the information he had? I mean I'm sure they would have charged Bradley anyway, but there would be more sympathy due if he had only leaked information pertaining to abuse rather than dump a whole trove of classified information. I mean, sure Julian Assange appears to be ethical, but what if some of those files, not relating to abuse, contained information on agents in the field. And some family got a knock on the door and a folded flag because their loved one had died in service to their country because their cover had been compromised by the leak.

Everyone keeps looking past the fact that Bradley leaked 700,000 CLASSIFIED documents while serving on active duty.

And stop fucking calling him Chelsea. His name is Bradley Manning.

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[–] rspix000 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

US Army admitted no one died as a result of the huge Manning leak. The big problem was PR caused by the years of lying by the army that there wasn't any video of the Reuter's reporter being accidentally shot in Iraq. 15 Million views of Collateral Murders showed that was a lie.

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[–] kevdude 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It still doesn't change the fact that the risk was there. There is more to this case. This wasn't about exposing wrongdoing. Bradley just handed over all the documents. The overwhelming majority had nothing to do with the issues we are all glad were revealed. I will admit that this is cruel and unusual punishment. Bradley should have been executed for espionage.

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[–] Konstamokh [S] 5 points 6 points (+11|-5) ago 

Their goal is to make her insane and/or facilitate another suicide attempt to scare other whistleblowers and render her harmless.

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[–] rspix000 4 points 3 points (+7|-4) ago 

Try for just a smidgen of humanity. I know it's Sunday, but really spady.

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[–] rulloff_in_a_jar 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I think he's already insane

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[–] edistojim 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

Chelsea have a dick? Its a he. Male prison is where he belongs.

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[–] the-gerbil-in-my-bum 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

no government property was defaced and/or damaged though

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[–] ScreaminMime 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

We are all the government's property, fellow slave.

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[–] lissencarak 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

"her"

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