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[–] GIF-lLL-S0NG 0 points 50 points (+50|-0) ago 

The left is fine, the democrats are fucked. They have not done a good job convincing their fan base that they are not in bed with corporate interests. It is anything but democratic. The democratic party has destroyed itself with identity politics. It should be called the kleptocratic party.

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[–] 1Sorry_SOB 1 points 19 points (+20|-1) ago 

Good point. The Right voters were able to overcome the Republican Party rigged candidates and hopefully clean out some rot. The left is going to have to do the same. You're going to have to come to grips with truth that it is the same neo-con policy runs both parties. Take a good luck at the top donors.

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[–] Sinful_Casshern 2 points 15 points (+17|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Exactly, voat is always putting down lefties but they don't really take swings at the right wing politicians, like the rhinos or whatever the fuck those pricks want to be called. I'm voting for Trump just on the basis that the elite from both sides are afraid of him and are throwing everything they can at him to make him go away. I don't have any faith in these politicians and to say that one side is the bad guy and not the other is just fucking ignorant. I'm not going to support the Republican party like that, especially when they'd rather have hillary as president than trump just because there (((special interests)))

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[–] hypercat 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

What does left even mean anymore? Can't we like having marijuana AND guns legal?

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[–] lord_nougat 6 points 31 points (+37|-6) ago  (edited ago)

The DNC has nothing to do with 'leftists'. They're right-wing neocons with racist, duplicitous rhetoric, who use minorities as props to appear inclusive or something.

I'd honestly have to say that the Republicans have actually moved left of the Democrats, largely thanks to Trump; he may actually be saving the Republican party and destroying the Democrats at the same time, and if so, he is truly an American hero.

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[–] ponchoman275 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

This. Anytime somebody says Hillary Clinton is far left and that that the democratic party is socialist I instantly know they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. There are some left wingers hidden in the back but it's at best a centrist party, even right-wing compared to European standards.

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[–] TheScattMan 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That is actually a fair analysis. People confuse Welfare-Capitalism with the Socialism for one. Secondly, the authoritarian and facist nature of the Democratic platform is very right leaning. The Republicans aren't saints themselves, and in social conservative ways was more right, and is still more right, than the democratic party, but It's fair to say that overall the Republican party under Trump represents a more 'liberal' government than of an Authoritarian-Progressive Democratic party.

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[–] lord_nougat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I know you're right, I took bullshit poli-sci courses too, although I don't know why. Oh yeah, they were a requirement for something or other.

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[–] Thin_White_Duke 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Well done, glad I'm not the only one who gets it.

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[–] Ajaxofbarbaria 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Would it really be murder if they incited the riot and then died in the resulting fire?

Delicious irony sounds so much more appropriate.

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[–] Black_Phillip 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Why you gotta put 'right-wing' in there? Brainwash?

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[–] NeedleStack 4 points 13 points (+17|-4) ago 

I empathize with the Bernie bots. They wanted to change the system and were given a brutal wake-up call and watched their hero bend over. Ouch! It's good that they're angry now. Hopefully they will vote for anyone but Clinton, evaporating her chance of being elected.

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[–] kittysaysmeownow 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

I'm actually kind of proud of them for the walk out, I was really expecting them to just toe the party line and follow Bernie's orders to elect Hillary. They surprised me.

I look upon them much more favorably now that they have shown some conviction. I was honestly dead convinced they were just stupid kids blindly following orders, but they turned out to be stupid kids who caught onto the game eventually.

Sure, they're still a little overly idealistic, but who wasn't like that in their youth? They seem to be growing up right in front of our eyes, awwww, it's their first red pill you guys!

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[–] TheScattMan 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

In defense of the Democrats, Bernie is not one. He has already switched back to being an independent. They need to make a new party, but Bernie is not the guy who is going to do that. They need Democratic Socialists such as the Hawaiian Senator, to come together and start a new party. I think the subreddits and facebook groups, etc will provide the people, but they will fracture here very soon without a leader.

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[–] FireForEffect 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Stepped on a couple toes there. Truth hurts to hear for some people.

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[–] dv1155 3 points -1 points (+2|-3) ago 

She'll just promise them free stuff and they'll be all over her like flies on rice.

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[–] jobes 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

She promised free college education and forgiving all student debts in her speech tonight.

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[–] WitnesstheSalt 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

It'll be interesting to see if the Bernie crowd stays mad for long enough to impact the election. Three months and change is a long time to stay really hot.

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[–] lord_nougat 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Do you think you'll somehow hate hillary less in 3 months? I doubt I will.

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[–] WitnesstheSalt 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I think that most of the Bernie supporters that are mad as hell right now will not be as hot in three months. The question is what that'll turn into at the ballot box.

The DNC is very carefully hiding the level of discontent because perception is everything here and now. It's pissing off the crowds they're throwing the blanket over even more, but the idea is the DNC has three months to try to get people to fall in line. There's going to be a heavy, constant, ugly pressure on Bernie-or-Bust to swallow their bile and pull the lever for Hillary.

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[–] LardOn4Bacon 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Seriously. This is just shit to add to the list of reasons to hate her.

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[–] AynRandPaulRyan 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Hopefully wikileaks is holding on to the really good stuff until right before the election.

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[–] Kal 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

I don't think we'll ever forget how the Democratic Party left us behind. It's them and Hillary now. Good luck with that.

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[–] TheScattMan 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yeah, I honestly don't want to give the majority of them that much credit (I wouldn't give any majority that much credit, so nothing personal against the Berners), but what has been happening at the convention is what is DNC's doom. You are taking a shit on the most loyal and passionate Bernie supporters then sending them back to their home states. These people at a minimum will not campaign for Hillary. There will be no excitement around her campaign for atleat 50% of her potential voters. That spells a huge disaster, especially with the excitement levels surrounding Trump right now. He is gaining the support of alot of the conservatives.

Alot of this is speculation, but this shown in the polls next week and the week after, if I had to bet money on it. Negative DNC bump for Hillary.

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[–] Troll 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

There are no leftists on Voat. Only trolls and shitposters. Don't look at me. I'm a sensible troll.

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[–] Master_Admin 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

I thought you were a fisherman

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[–] Kal 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

It's was easier to be an evil liberal back in George Dubya's days. It was pretty easy to argue against the patriot act, the end of The Great Writ, wars for Halliburtons enrichment, ect.

Now what is there for us to do? Obama proved to us to be nothing but an extension of the same policies. We'll be back in form when your boy Trump does a 180 on all the hot air he's been blowing.

His VP pick alone shows that he is going to play their game, the game that never changes.

I hope that I'm wrong.

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[–] Hipsterrr 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I agree with you. On both parts.

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[–] TheScattMan 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

True that (to at least the first part) and I wouldn't be surprised with the second part either. The patriot act is grossly illiberal. There is a fine line between protectionism and taking away individual rights, and the patriot act went 10 steps past that line. I hate how people fall for identity politics too much. Like with all these 'liberals' being pro gun control. I guarantee if the Democrats where against gun control, so would they. That's why I think philosophy is important. At least have individual ideals, and pick your poison, instead of becoming a useful idiot. r/The_Donald is funny because it triggers alot of people, but that place in no way represents a healthy way for political discourse.

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[–] iwasnotshadowbanned 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Aren't most people only leftists because the alternative is worse? If the leftists are fucked then the country is going to get even more fucked.

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[–] snakesbbq 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yeah I'm with you on that one. People on the right are all, "ha, ha the left is fucked." I'm here looking around, we are all aboard the same ship and that ship is fucking sinking.

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[–] bob3333 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The DNC is fucked specifically because they aren't leftists.

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[–] 1Sorry_SOB 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

They're what were called Limousine Liberals in the 1960's. Wealthy upper east side Manhattan Jews. "Wealth is fine for me but not for thee." They were also always worried about pogroms coming out of the what affectionately called "the flyover states". They used media in all forms to try and tame people that were actually no threat to them.

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[–] elcob32 3 points 4 points (+7|-3) ago 

Unfortunately the leftists aren't totally fucked yet. They still control the main stream media.

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[–] kevdude 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Which is destroying its credibilty by doubling down.

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[–] Doc_Brown_Lives 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

But at least it's entertaining to watch the shitstorm. It sure as hell isn't 'news' anymore.

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[–] TheScattMan 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yeah I've been woken up. I thought all that kind of stuff was conspiracy, but this week has confirmed all of my doubts. How the DNC and the Media has worked together to take over the DNC and pretend that the party is united is just sickening. Thank god for all the videos people took, or else we would have never known. Get's me wondering for how long and to what extent this has corrupted politics in our country.

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