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[–] ScottRockview 4 points 54 points (+58|-4) ago 

If Trump loses, all states should exit the union.

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[–] Dereliction 2 points 56 points (+58|-2) ago  (edited ago)

That'd be the most American thing to happen since the revolution.

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[–] kikkeliskokkelis 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

I wish I had more upvotes to give.

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[–] bonghitter420 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

That'd be fucking incredible lmfao

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[–] AlphaWookie 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That case was settled in Grant v. Lee I believe

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[–] Medicroger 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

If the federal government uses bull shit tactics to take away more rights, then yes. Texas might be the inspiration to save U.S.

Don't forget that Trump is getting on board to take away weapons based on a terrorist watch list.

We don't know what it will take to get on that watch list. It might only take disagreeing with your elected politicians.

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[–] glennvtx 0 points 37 points (+37|-0) ago 

I am a texan and i support leaving.

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[–] Monsantos_Schlong 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

I second this.

Texit

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[–] ilikeskittles 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I second your second.

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[–] nomenimion 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

If you leave, we won't let you drive your cattle to Kansas City. Enjoy eating all those steaks by yourself.

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[–] Monsantos_Schlong 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Whatever will we do with all these leftover steaks?

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[–] glennvtx 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

MMMM Steak....

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[–] John_Templeton 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I would seriously consider leaving the Northeast moving down there with you guys.

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[–] glennvtx 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I dont believe political decisions should be based on misguided ideas about race. I do believe my fellow texans would better represent my views, than those in washington. I dont care what color they are.

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[–] Genghis_Khan 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Surely at least one person at The Guardian realizes that there is no actual legal framework for a state to actually secede from the union. First,

In 1861, Texans voted to secede and join the Confederacy during the Civil War. When the war was over, the Supreme Court decided — in a case that involved none other than Texas, albeit on the non-secession side — that states can't secede unilaterally and any attempt to do so will be “absolutely null.”

Second, any American worth their weight in dung knows that the US Army, generally speaking, is barred from operating on American soil. Well, guess what happens when a state is technically no longer American soil? Do you really think that every member of the Texas National Guard will remain loyal to the former state in this scenario? Do you really think a bunch of local militias with AR-15s and pipe bombs is going to effectively combat the professional Army of The United States of America? Are you even breathing?

Oh yeah, on the operating on American soil thing. There may be an exception.

While it's amusing, this whole idea is nothing but rage fodder for the ignorant.

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[–] Invert 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

You really think the federal government would just wage war on Texas for leaving?

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[–] Genghis_Khan 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Are you serious? Absolutely they would. The only possibility they won't is if it's a bilateral secession (in other words, both parties agree to it). The very idea that the largest most powerful empire in the history of humanity would simply let one of its own states on its own mainland declare secession unopposed is absolutely absurd. Further, the idea that (any time in the near future) the American federal government would agree to allowing any state to secede, let alone a rich, populous, and useful one like Texas is absolutely absurd. Come on now.

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[–] 51rH0n3y84d93r 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yes. See Texas v. White on their discussion of why the succession was illegal. They also discuss that a state is defined as people, border and constitution. Some food for thought, if the constitution changes, it's a new government. Why don't we need to readmit states whose constitutions were replaced?

Lastly, the federal government is obligated to ensure a republican form of government. In theory, they would need 2/3 vote to leave the union.

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[–] EnderESXC 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Well, technically that's how America won the Revolutionary War in the first place. The thirteen colonies just had a bunch of militias and they beat the largest colonial power in history. It's not impossible that Texas could do the same, especially if they had other states helping them, which they likely would.

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[–] Genghis_Khan 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Would they? Which states do you figure would be willing to oppose the US Army and why, I'm curious. And please, if you would be so kind, tell us by what evidence do you conclude this to be the case.

Also, the Revolutionary War ended over 200 years ago, far prior to the US becoming the absolute and indisputable military power in the world by a margin greater than all other powers combined (if the propaganda is to be trusted). Even if the scale of the US military is not what it's said to be, I sure as hell would not expect any one state to successfully oppose it.

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[–] AlphaWookie 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The U.N. Charter on Human Rights clearly states people have the right to self-determination. I am not so sure the policies of the 19th century on states seceding really would be the policies of today if Texas got a super majority like 2/3 or 3/5 in a vote a state maybe allowed to leave the Union.

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[–] jamesed 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

US Army barred from Operating on American Soil. So what was that battalion of Paratrooper Military Police doing in Little Rock Escorting the two little black girls to school??? 1957 Brown vs Board of Education Battalion of Military Police from and 500 infantry from Fort Campbell KY.

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[–] Genghis_Khan 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You mean this?

In 1957, Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus called out his state's National Guard to block black students' entry to Little Rock Central High School. President Dwight Eisenhower responded by deploying elements of the 101st Airborne Division from Fort Campbell, Kentucky, to Arkansas and by federalizing Arkansas's National Guard. Source

I dunno man, you're going to have to ask a lawyer. Are you arguing that due to this, the Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) is somehow not on the books?

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[–] jamesed 2 points 15 points (+17|-2) ago 

Ain't going to happen. As soon as you try that, the FBI will be at the door's of all the leaders and they will purp walked into waiting Black SUV's never to see the light of day again. The problem of the European Union is that they did not ban national armies, while they had no army of their own. If they would have taken that next step, European Armies would be patrolling the streets of Jolly olde England and the Exit leaders would be sitting in Jail.

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[–] FeminismIsCancer 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Yep, that's how you end up on the right side of history. You jail or "disappear" the other side.

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[–] AlphaWookie 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Did you just come over from Eddit? Nice to see you here finally.

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[–] jamesed 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That may not be morally right but that way the wienie wiggles.

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[–] SJWsRuinedIt 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If you truly desire success: you must eliminate all children of the dissenters as well. You are naive if you believe a confused teenager won't eventually seek vengeance against those people who killed their parents.

That's why Scarface deserved to die in the movie of the same name. He should have seen that killing the ambassador's kids was a necessary evil. Having them all together to kill in one spot was an incredible stroke of luck that he ignored to his own peril.

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[–] MoonmanJones 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

You assume they'd be unarmed and go quietly. Not a safe assumption to make of Texans, I'd say.
Besides, the ZOG know they're guaranteed to lose power if open revolt happens. Bribery and blackmail would be far more likely than black vans and brute force.

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[–] hereforthenews 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I am reminded of that time in the 90's when the feds came in to desecrate and disrespect people's graves with military gear before killing them in Waco, Texas. The might have been a weird cult, but they were nice people that were doing nothing wrong and minding their own business, and were then assassinated by the feds because they wanted vengeance for some cops that got killed while they defended their families legally. They probably would probably do the same if it happened again.

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[–] Koza 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

But the feds would be one step ahead and the moment you defend yourself it's "unhinged racist shoots at police and shouts homophobic slur" and they can have reason to mobilise the military if necessary.

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[–] revofire 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I am a Floridian and I support this. We need more sovereign nations to allow for freedom to come about once more. I think Texas would hold those values closely.

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[–] Fred 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Texans would be rich as fuck immediately.

Texas takes in more federal money than it sends out, by a factor of about 1.5. (Look for States by Return on Taxpayer investment.). If anything, they would have to raise taxes to cover the shortfall, or eliminate things that people use and love, like the VA, SNAP, etc. etc.

Ideally a volunteer militia would replace the military with the gov't just giving every citizen a state funded yearly budget to go buy guns and ammo of their choice

That would be a terrible idea. The reason a military all use the same gun is so that said gun is easily replaceable and you don't need to fuck around with ammo. If you have one person using 30-06, another with .308, a third with .270, and the last guy has 5.56, and any one of them runs out of ammo, they are now useless. If every one of them is using 5.56 and one runs out of ammo, one of the other guys can call him a dumbass for not packing more, and then give him some.

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[–] whisky_cat 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

GTFO with your damn logic.

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[–] jamesed 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You forgot to add all those retired people with Social Security. They would have their benefits cut off toot sweet. The state of Texas would have to take up the slack. Let's now turn to the Education system. No more federally back loans to students, or government grants to Universities. Of course that may be a good thing because they could finally get rid of that title 9 bull shit.

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[–] Monsantos_Schlong 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

That's bullshit. Everyone here has multiple guns that require different ammo. Most commonly. 270, .308, .22, .223 and 12gauge. Having a volunteer milita wouldn't be that bad considering it wouldn't be hard at all to find someone that has the ammo you need. But I only mentioned "long guns" not handguns

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[–] 0fsgivin 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Texas has a large economysure. But actually right now they are propped up by the fed.

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[–] TheAwesomeDude9001 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Why not? Because Texas can't do it financially speaking nor legally speaking. Sorry Texas, we've been over this. Now sit down and shut up.

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[–] Kukbahlam 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Only if we can leave Dallas behind somehow.... Give it to Oklahoma and move the Red River Shootout to Waco. (partial /s)

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[–] crusade 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

 >not austin

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[–] whisky_cat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

As a northerner I'd love to hear the details on this. Is Dallas like the Detroit of Texas?

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[–] thunder_fuck 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

No, it's just more liberal than the rest of Texas. Dallas is actually really nice.

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[–] Kukbahlam 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's an odd cultural thing... difficult to explain but I'll try. Certain things you learn when you grow up in Texas:

1st off, everyone who lives more than an hour and a half north of you is half-jokingly referred to as a "Yankee." Only half...With Dallas somewhat isolated in that regard, if you live in Houston, San Antonio, Laredo or El Paso, anyone who lives in Dallas is a lesser Texan at best. Dallas is closer to the rest of America than it is to Texas. Its closer to Shreveport LA!!! (They eat possums there ya know!)

2nd: Dallas is just too damn close to Oklahoma. The only redeeming quality of Oklahoma is that they take college football seriously. That's it. The rest of the state is not worth mentioning. And just to beat that dead horse a bit more... Dallas is closer to Oklahoma city that the other major Texas cities.

3rd: Its a metro-plex. There are a hundred little cities that make up the area and they are used by the locals to indicate status. So if someone is visiting another city in Texas and are asked where they live, they answer with something like "In Westlake." Well, no one outside of Dallas has ever remembered one or two of these little towns. The normal outcome of this situation is the person from Dallas will look down at the ground and mumble out "dallas" (lower case d used here) under their breath.

4th: It snows every year in Dallas. This is largely do to sin and black magic and is completely unacceptable. If you live in actual Texas, this frozen devil water happens once every few years, is under an inch and paralyzes the town. People stay home from work and the schools close. You know it is going to snow in Texas when there is a run on bottled water and canned food at HEB... (Dead serious here.) That is THE grocery store. HEB... Short for it's founder, Howard Edward Butt Sr..... Yes... that was his name.

*Note: Fort Worth is somehow given a bit of a pass. Can't explain why even though it's now pretty much physically connected to Dallas

*Note 2: You always keep your handgun handy while traveling to Dallas.... Houston too, just to be honest... and the Valley... and El Paso.... even though they brag that El Paso is one of the safest cities in the US, it's just a shallow river and a fence away from Juarez which is one of the least safest places in Mexico.

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