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[–] Pointyball ago 

It is not defiance at this point. They don't have to run their plans past the President, but the President has the power to approve or disapprove their plan.

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[–] i_scream_trucks 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

As just thinking that myself.

Cant be defiance if no one has told you no to begin with no matter how much trouble you're trying to start.