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[–] V____Z 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Will weigh in with more later, but for now I do think you're right to open this conversation. Voat is compromised from within, i think that's clear. But there also seems to be a concerted, organized effort to flood pizzagate with random and completely meaningless posts (I FOUND A SPIRAL!!!!!) which are strangely all being upvoted by enough people that true leads and damning posts are driven from the front page, so most people will miss them if they only check in once a day. There's no way it's organic, and i find it highly questionable that these posts are allowed to stay, while good posts are being deleted sometimes 3 times in a row, with bs explanations, which frustrate people trying to help with this investigation, to the point of giving up. All of these symptoms were planned.

It really is time to talk about doing something new, to talk about taking a proper and sober assessment of what we've got going on here, and moving forward with our original goal in mind. That goal was never to obsess over every high school teacher or local City Council member who is a pedophile, nor to obsess over creepy symbols in music videos. It seems obvious they're playing with us, actually giving us fodder for v/pizzagate with the Soros-funded Bill Nye episode. They're playing us like a fiddle. What do we know about this game? Nothing. We are innocent and new to this world, just wanting to help the children. They are well versed in manipulation and lies. I think the best thing to do is to stop telling ourselves we can conduct a proper pizzagate investigation using v / PG. Until we admit this, we will keep seeing more of the same. And indeed it is very frustrating. We're smarter than this. We should be able to adapt, and move on to something that works. That's the last thing they want. There is no reason to believe this can't be done, there are too many committed people who simply aren't going to give up. Some of us have watched The Franklin Case and then Hampstead be covered up, and just aren't going to sit by and watch it happen again. So let's figure something out!

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[–] YingYangMom 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

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[–] oftotc 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I agree w/ most of your comment, but vehemently disagree with:

We are innocent and new to this world, just wanting to help the children. They are well versed in manipulation and lies. I think the best thing to do is to stop telling ourselves we can conduct a proper pizzagate investigation using v / PG.

You put yourself in a box when you say "proper investigation". This forum is outside the box by definition. We simply need to do what regular Joe's have been doing since forever: Innovate. Experiment. Find out what works. Stop with the defeatist outlook.

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[–] V____Z 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

My question is can it be done within the framework of v/pizzagate? I think I'm being realistic - it isn't working and it's only getting worse. Have you seen today's submissions? Nothing to do with pizzagate. None have anything to do with the Podesta emails, no one is looking into Pegasus. All of the submissions, as per usual lately, are about widening the scope until we are just talking about anything remotely to do with pedophilia anywhere in the world. No one seems to be doing any investigation, or following leads.

When you say innovate, experiment, do you mean keep trying to work within v / PG? What would you recommend as an example? I guess this thread is one example.

If we were to stay here, one change that could fix this is to tighten our scope and get serious about the rules for submissions, and then for the investigators to downvote submissions that are better suited for v/pedogate so that PG can FOCUS. I believe we've been infiltrated and this is the last thing they want us to do. I don't see much support for the idea of getting serious and getting back to our roots, though. When I've suggested it, I get shouted down instantly.

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[–] srayzie 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Thank you for including me. One thing that is bad is that I know shills would post something crazy and then would post it on a new twitter account with hashtags. I was catching it and posted on this before. So, when someone clicks it, it takes them to a totally ridiculous post on here. They have friends working here with them that would comment. So, it makes us look like foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists.

I have talked to a few people that won't post here because even the regulars here can be brutal. I think people need to be nicer and more courteous and not scare some away from posting. I read someone say "well if they are sensitive, then they shouldn't be here". Wow really? We're all here for the same reason and should work more as a team.

Finally, at the sub Pizzagatewhatever, people hardly go there. So I think many people post in the Pizzagate sub because we don't give pizzagatewhatever enough attention.

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[–] YingYangMom 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

@horse-with-a-name @quantokitty @V__Z @nomorepepperoni @pizzaequalspedo

Yep. We had to post our "Consolidation Threads" on pizzagatewhatever and they didn't get but very little attention. @privatepizza , @newworldahead , and I worked non-stop for a while, but we couldn't keep up and the desperation just got the best of us. I'm talking about this project in particular, amassing evidence and presenting them in chronological order... https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/1652968 (#1 CPP thread & JA) and also https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/1656815 (#2 Friends of CPP)

So sad.

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[–] Vindicator 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

We need to resurrect these!

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[–] horse-with-a-name [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Thank you for coming here :)

I did not know about the Twitter thing that leads to ridiculous posts here. How awful!

I think the name pizzagatewhatever was not wisely chosen. Different subs could be interesting, though. This way, the main sub could concentrate on the investigation, and other important topics could go in new subverses?

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[–] srayzie 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I do too. It needs more attention if people don't want Pizzagate full of posts that are not direct evidence.

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[–] nomorepepperoni 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

More solid, tangibly connected leads have a bad habit of getting ignored and/or buried for the latest "YOUTUBE GUY IS A DISINFO OP SHILL GUY", "JOOS!", "LOOK AT THIS CREEPY SATANIST SHIT" and, of course, the ever-popular "OMFG FBI OFFICIAL PEDO LOGO LOOK!" (generi-swirl, no valid info found suggesting business is involved in anything nefarious).

Which I wouldn't be as fed up about, if it weren't that certain people are getting drawn into these threads and can't seem to resist the urge to go at each other's throats for having a different opinion. "Oh, you don't completely agree with me? SHILL! SHILL!" FFS. It's like when IDPol obsessed lefties scream SEXIST and RACIST at everything they see. You can only cry wolf so often before people stop listening.

And how many of them actually are shills trying to poison the place? No telling, because the Voat site itself, in its infinite wisdom, does not have an IP ban option (from what I understand). So shills can just keep spawning new accounts and spewing shit freely.

Overall, I have been following Voat less and less. Too many divisive, infighting jackasses sniping at each other in stupid threads about nothing. Pretty sad state of affairs.

I would urge the mods to consider setting up new, more relaxed guidelines for the community to vote on. Leads are drying up, and it's leaving the people here stir crazy. This leads to lower-quality posts, more mod takedowns because they forgot to explain something in a good lead, and, of course, the unintended kick to morale. Even worse, when a ding to morale is amplified to everyone else by the person who feels slighted by a mod, and just HAS to warn the world (VOAT COMPROMISED! MODS ARE ALL SHILLS! TOOK DOWN MY POST!).

This should be a place for sourced leads and reasoned discussion on raising awareness (in one place), not for barking and yiping about who's a disnfo agent op spooky face.

Just my very long 2c.

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[–] V____Z 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I can hear Brock/Podesta/Soros now: "Oh no! They've got a place for sourced leads and reasoned discussion on raising awareness (in one place) called Voat!

"Get the troll team in there to bark and yipe about who's a disinfo agent op spooky face so no one can think straight!"

Done.

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[–] Forgetmenot 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Exactly they are organizing as we speak.

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[–] Vindicator 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yep

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[–] quantokitty 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I think you've made excellent points. I do think the quality of the posts has declined due to the hard investigative type of post disappearing. Either videos with journalists rehashing what's already been said are posted, or straight up news stories with no commentary. While both of those are completely valid and part of pizzagate, it was the investigative style that uncovered all the evidence.

While that's one variable that's leading to the decline, the other is: shills and shill posts. Not sure what can be done about this other than voating up the valid posts, downvoating shit, and not making comments in it either. If you make a negative comment, it's still treated as activity in that thread so please don't do it.

But I really think the heart of the problem is pizzagaters getting back to solid investigative posts. Uncover new evidence. When you do, I notice that it's quickly spread amongst the entire community and that's when the active users jump. But for a news headline? Well, unless it's news nobody heard of, or a breaking story, people can pretty well get that from any news source, so let's get back to the hard core investigation of the key players: Alefantis and his friends, the Pedostas, throw the kids into the pool Luzzatto, the Cannibal Queen, and all the pervs in Pedo/RapeyWood.

I've been entirely guilty of posting the quickie threads because of the time element. I started to work on a couple of things (and Dear Lord please let me have saved all the links I found), but it takes hours to compile and write a comprehensive overview of what point you're trying to make. But even with my sporadic forays into the dark world of this revolting story, there is so much we haven't uncovered.

Maybe it would be good if we teamed up. That idea was presented a while back, but I haven't seen it done. I was hoping for some of the excellent investigators that I know hang out here to really dig into one subject and go at it from all angles. I would love to see that done, but even if it isn't, please let's get back to what made this story compelling and investigate the core of this rotten apple. Don't get thrown off by people telling us that we need to be going to Belgium to find anything. On the contrary, what we find here, in the dirty little center of the soul-less beings haunting the corridors of power, will lead us to where we need to go and not the reverse.

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[–] ThePuppetShow 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

If you say nothing in the shill threads, they will keep posting ridiculous comments and upvoting everything in them before linking them elsewhere like that's what we're discussing here. I pointed this out a month ago before I left for a bit. This is their game, they're framing the narrative.

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[–] quantokitty 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I believe if no one posts, they drop out of sight pretty quickly. I downvoat and don't post in them. If something unbelievably disgusting needs to be refuted, then let someone call the OP on t and be done with it. Piling on just keeps the damn thing up there in the rankings.

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[–] V____Z 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Absolutely 1,000 times YES to every word.

I got the idea of teaming just before you wrote it. I've done that with a couple people here spontaneously (like with the recent Podesta/pool/child porn post) and it really is the way to go. I wanted help from others and realized we don't have a forum for asking for assistance. What if we made a new sub v/pizzagateinvestigations where each new thread was a separate area of investigation (sticking to your parameters, aka our roots - the emails & subsequent finds) and people could weigh in and help. For instance with the Podesta post, I was able to use people's suggestions, insights, comments, to keep adding to the article. It really helps if we put our minds and energy together. People can burn out easily, and people who are victims of pedophiles can experience brain freeze when dealing with this stuff. I sometimes black out completely, but when there is a team, others can pick up the slack and keep the ball rolling.

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[–] quantokitty 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Absolutely, the subverse would work. The thing is people's brains work differently. You get a few people attacking the problem from different angles, you're going to cover things you wouldn't normally. I want to go back to the old school key players, and there's someone that turned up that should be revisited. But, yeah, subverse, please. Let's get things rolling. Obviously, it's investigation that people want to read. It's why so few people are voating and viewing.

And did @pizzagatedetective make that invitee list?

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[–] Vindicator 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

We don't have a forum for asking for assistance

But we DO! That was the hope for v/AskPizzagate.

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[–] horse-with-a-name [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

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[–] micha_ 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Tx for the heads up. As important as the work of so many ppl here is, in the meanwhile I don't think that changing anything here or somewhere else could make a difference. It seems that our world is run by a network of satanists and there is nothing that is powerful enough to threaten it, because of several reasons.

  1. We humans are sheep.

  2. Evil is beyond the sheep's imagination. So the sheep cannot believe it, even it was shown evidence.

  3. People believe, what they want to believe. Those that do not fall into categories 1 and 2, are trapped at 3.

Accepting that there is no justice in the world, that probably even the organized manifestations of religions have been part of the luciferian agenda, is certainly too hard to accept for 90-98%.

How many people here have made the experience, since PG broke, that friends or family members refuse to make the most simple logical deductions? How many here have noticed, that they even refuse to accept indisputable facts? That's all a manifestation of sheepness. Can you accept, that your brother, your mother, your wife is a dumb sheep? If you can't then your'e part of the problem, too and you're sheep, too.

The satanists have absolutely no problem to think logical and make the necessary cold blooded decisions! Sheep can't. Therefore they are sheep. And therefore the satanists rule us.

We are slaves and are not willing to break the mental chains they have put us into. They do not have these chains. They chop millions of heads off, if it is useful for their agenda. And we don't.

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[–] YingYangMom 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Do not despair. This is the greatest speech ever made. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo

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[–] redditsuckz 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

How many people here have made the experience, since PG broke, that friends or family members refuse to make the most simple logical deductions? How many here have noticed, that they even refuse to accept indisputable facts? That's all a manifestation of sheepness. Can you accept, that your brother, your mother, your wife is a dumb sheep? If you can't then your'e part of the problem, too and you're sheep, too.

We might be dealing with some sort of "Matrix System" here as in the people who are awake now are the only ones that will awaken. Some of the people on the earth just might have no souls and are just running on animal instincts or some kinds of biometric robots that the elites know how to use and exploit.

This phase of the investigation is over as far as I can see...its pretty obvious what group is in control and running things and even some in this thread will not awaken to this fact as in they only awake so far and no further.

There is no place on the internet that they will not try to infiltrate and if it cant be infiltrated it will be shut down within short time frame. Some say evolution does not exist well actually we are evolving out of their system of control or we wouldnt be here right now if that werent the case and now we have to evolve to something that will actually take down this system of control once and for all and protests and endless investigating might not be the answer. The answer is information on what is REALLY going on with this earth and using "feeling" instead of your head to find the answer to the truth of it all.

Its almost better to become an observer and sit back and watch this all unfold and be the change you want to see because otherwise we are banging our heads against brick walls and creating endless drama focusing forever on these "satanists".

Its clear they are frighted of people migrating to new places or you wouldnt have this thread;

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1826522

Why would they be scared?...because they have only so many resources to combat the consciousness of humanity.

The way to beat "The Matrix" is to copy your consciousness to others around you by giving them all the information you can possibly give them EVEN if they are a biometric robot/sheep...they might have no choice to bend to your will as that is all they are created for is to be NPC's in this Matrix.

If a handful of elites can run the earth for hundreds of thousands of years then a handful can take it back and make it a place worth living in.

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[–] pizzaequalspedo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

At the end of the day, if LE refuses to get involved, we have to be prepared for this to stall.

I'm glad I'm aware of what's going on, but I'm not sure we can stop it. At least maybe we can make it harder for them to keep up their lifestyle.

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[–] DarkMath 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"Some interesting posts vanish seconds or minutes later because a mod deletes them."

That's so people don't post rants and other bull shit that's not evidence. If you're worried about spam and shit posts don't hang out in the New thread, try the Hot or Top.

In general /v/pizzagate doesn't work very well but it's better than nothing. If I was in my 20s I'd try to write something better. Now I don't give a fuck anymore. The need for new internet platforms to replace the hopelessly corrupt MSM is great.

This is the beginning of a new era of the Interwebs. Crowd journalism is the way to go. Actually crowd based anything is the way to go. There's journalism, intelligence, forensic accounting, crime investigations etc etc. It's ALL going to put on crowd platforms. The MSM media are like the IBM and Digital Main Frame manufacturers and it's about 1981.

If there's just one ray of light in this cluster fuck it's that the people are taking power back from politicians and the media. Lower middle class and below outnumber those above us. It's not even close. We have set backs but we always win in the end. It's been happening for the past 2000 years. This time it isn't any different.

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[–] oftotc 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

IBM and Digital Main Frame manufacturers and it's about 1981.

'member Honeywell?
;-)

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[–] DarkMath 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"'member Honeywell?"

A-yep. I even remember Wang Computer and their 5 seconds on the top. How the mighty have fallen. My first job was at a company whose office was in the Wang Towers up in Lowell MA. Time at the top is short and is often followed by a very painful descent.

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[–] druhill007 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

preach

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[–] DarkMath 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

"preach"

you lost me

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[–] horse-with-a-name [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

No, I'm not too worried about spam or shit posts. Mods mostly catch them. It's other topic -- campaigning, for example, or strategical thoughts about the investigation, what to do in the future etc -- that usually get deleted, while they could be helpful.

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[–] Vindicator 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Campaigning, for example, or strategical thoughts about the investigation, what to do in the future etc -- that usually get deleted, while they could be helpful.

We've got a sticky on that very subject immanent. ☺

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[–] DarkMath 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"strategical thoughts about the investigation, what to do in the future etc"

That's what I was trying to get across with new crowd sourcing platform have to be written. Pizzagate is just the tip of a massive iceberg of fraud. There are many battles ahead. Power to the people.

So in that light a great way to get people involved is to show them the money, tell the world's 20 somethings:

1) Crowd sourcing is the wave of the future.

2) Corporations have too much control over the MSM.

3) Young people today could get very rich building the next generation of Interweb tech that will keep corporations out of the news business.

4) and the forensic accounting business, and the entertainment business, and the private prison business, and the private army business and the.........

I know that's a stretch but it's the only thing that makes sense at this point in History. The modern American Multi-National Corporation is corrupt beyond measure. Just one viewing of "Clinton Cash" should convince anyone that Slavery, Rape and Pillaging are alive and well in the highest echelons of power in this country. That really really really needs to change.

We've seen this movie before. Necessity is the mother of invention, it's always been and always will be. The New Guard is waiting in the wings.

May God Speed The Plough

Ah-hem, Speed-the-Plow

:-D

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[–] IDeliverPizza 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

its cuz the mods are are run by shareblue hamie

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[–] Orangutan 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I'm disappointed. I didn't have that high of hopes after being kicked off from Reddit though. They corralled us here. Then they splintered us even further with /v/pizzagatewhatever, /v/pizzagatememes etc. The mods I felt were and have been over-active in their demands for explanations on posts, discouraging participation. It's a tough battle. There's been infiltration I fear as well. This definitely struck a nerve as evidence by the responses of mainstream media outlets and characters like Stephen Colbert and everyone to the Pope for God's sake.

I'm going to keep going but depending on this subverse itself isn't the way. Spread the work and information throughout social media. And we should get the "sticky" back up with the overview of pizzagate's best evidence for beginners and introduction. That keeps getting removed it seems. It's not going to be easy to broach this topic with the masses. Look at the Catholic Church thing, has justice really been dispensed? Anyone in jail? Hastert is in jail for a tad over some financial business. Savile got off no problem. The subject matter is so vile and emotionally disturbing that most of the society doesn't want to consider it. Look at the plight of Johnny Gosch's mom. It's just brutal.

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[–] Vindicator 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

We should get the "sticky" back up with the overview of pizzagate's best evidence for beginners and introduction.

It is always up -- in the sidebar or the top line of other sticky posts, or both.

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[–] horse-with-a-name [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I agree with many things you say. So your suggestion would be to include everything in v/pizzagate alone?

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[–] Orangutan 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I guess. What was the success of the reddit Pizzagate sub. I'd just emulate that in as many ways as I could. Mods should intervene occasionally of course and the userbase has to be trusted to vote accordingly or else the place sucks anyway. And it has to be a combination of research and popularity. You need both for a successful campaign.

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