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[–] wecanhelp 3 points 29 points (+32|-3) ago 

I agree, but I'd go one step further and try to avoid the words Republicans/conservatives and Democrats/liberals altogether if possible. What we need to emphasize is that this is not a political cause. Sure, its implications are political, but the core boils down to human conscience and responsibility, and we need everyone on our side who's otherwise alienated by the slightest hint of a political movement.

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[–] Yuke 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

Agreed. I'm British so am neither Republican or Democrat and I wouldn't class myself as either Conservative or liberal either. This is about people doing wrong and being held accountable for it.

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[–] justanotherpizza 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago  (edited ago)

There is one good reason to give examples of "both" republicans and democrats, and "powerful political parties" in Europe. This is about GOVERNMENT doing wrong and being held accountable for it. What differentiates PIZZAGATE is that the people we are discussing are a part of the COUNTRY POLITICAL SYSTEM in several developed nations like USA, Great Britain, Belgium, which are systematically exploiting undeveloped nations like Haiti and Libya.

Furthermore, PIZZAGATE recognizes that sexual child abuse enables mutual blackmail, economic and political relationships that support government corruption.

The divide and conquer narrative being played out is that PIZZAGATE is an alt-right conspiracy, fomented by Trump supporters against Hillary Clinton and democrats. You can see how this would be an easy sell to already bitter democrats. Showing that the investagation is not about party politics and whatever political lable you wear, but about trusted government institutions filled with compromised and frankly depraved individuals that are engaging in unspeakable acts for personal, political and financial benefit.

The point is, you don't have to be a democrat to be a part of PIZZAGATE.

https://sli.mg/n3LRTI

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[–] walnutpasta 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Exactly. This is not about Republicans, Democrats, Green Party, Liberals, Libertarians, Conservatives, or any sort of classification on the political spectrum. This is CRIMINAL. Plain and simple.

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[–] Toogi23 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I agree with Yuke... But I've used all my votes.

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[–] golly 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

Exactly, this about stopping pedophiles, not attacking media. The top priority should be saving the children and this can be only accomplished by finding the smoking gun which can only be found by doing research instead of attacking the media.

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[–] LoPhatt 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Of course. Their whole control strategy depends on creating and maintaining this dialectic. "Left/Right", "Conservative/Liberal", etc.. They then "define" what those terms mean and take measures to ensure that any "discussion" remains within the established boundaries.

This has been the constant, unrelenting drone of the "media" for decades. What they wish to do is to detract from the problem and any real attempts to resolve it. While the morons squabble with each other over these invented parameters, they steal their lunch. They are laughing at them while they pat them on their pointy little heads for behaving.

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[–] eyeVoated 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Yes! It's time to replace the false Hegelian dialectic with the Truth. That combined with meme magic may be an unbeatable force.

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[–] mrjdouble 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Bingo, making it a political issue has effectively divided us. Fairly predictable; as long as far right thinks the far lefts are absolute morons, then this will be par for the course.

Dems and repubs are just two cheeks on the same ass crack.

Fuck politricks, this is about the kids and seeing this through so these scumbags will see justice.

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[–] LoPhatt 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Yes, exactly. Of course, responding to media is just feeding them. it makes them feel important enough to require a response. This is something that I think Trump is getting wrong. He needs to make them irrelevant, just like we all should.

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[–] Millennial_Falcon [S] 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

avoid the words Republicans/conservatives and Democrats/liberals altogether

I think we need to use those words to counter the media narrative that it's a partisan hoax.

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[–] wecanhelp 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago 

Wouldn't something along the lines of "this goes beyond our political stances" suffice, without explicitly spelling out those words? I know I'm so resistant to political blabla thanks to a continuous disappointment and frustration that if I see one of those words mentioned anywhere I scroll right past. And I know many do the same. Also, this is global, and as @Yuke very smartly pointed it out, this dichotomy doesn't necessarily make sense for everybody.

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[–] anonymousgate 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

This election was really tough for me, because I hated both candidates. A month ago, I was devastated that Trump would be president, now I'm just glad that Hillary didn't win. I was never for her in the first place, but I thought that she would be light years better as a president than Trump. Then this whole pizzagate thing happened and I felt like suddenly everything about her made sense, why she lies so damn much, why she says she's going to do one thing and then does the complete opposite thing, the cheating of the election, the fact manipulation of events. I don't fucking trust liars.

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[–] LoPhatt 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

There is no salvation in politics. They all suck. It is a total sideshow. Since it is obvious that no one is going to actually do anything about it we will have to wait for it to collapse under the weight of its own hubris. It surely will. It's only a matter of when.

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[–] NeedPolyGF 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I don't see how the 1% can collapse. They keep stealing as much as they can from the common people, making us weaker and weaker as they get increasingly stronger. To me it looks like we, the common people, will more likely do the collapsing.

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[–] Millennial_Falcon [S] 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

At first, I opposed both Trump and Clinton. Then I started to realize how unfairly the media had treated Trump, and given that Pizzagate and FBIanon corroborate each other, Trump probably really does plan to drain the swamp as best he can.

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[–] Cascading-Light 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

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[–] unbiased_researcher 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I was exactly the same way. I woke up once I noticed how slanted the media was. They were telling me who to vote for. I wondered why. So I decided to do some research and man, I found myself a lot more than I bargained for! But I'm not going anywhere. I'm glad I know the truth, and I will do all it takes to raise awareness.

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[–] anonymousgate 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

I bet you he won't.

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[–] Cascading-Light 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Trump may have planned that, but got recently schooled by Kissinger. When Kissinger is optimistic about Trump, you know all hell is going to break lose. Wherever Kissinger shows up, shit goes down. Since decades.

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/12/henry-kissingers-war-crimes-are-central-to-the-divide-between-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders/

Hillary wanted Kissingers support, but she didn't get it.

Just some if his most heinous crimes:

https://www.rt.com/viral/358169-kissinger-clinton-henious-acts/

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[–] GoHeadBeGoneWithIt 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

me too. I actually voted for Hillary. I'm so disgusted with myself now! Thank God Trump won! It's going to be a wonderful 8 years of watching the public wake up!

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[–] anonymousgate 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That's pretty optimistic, but I sure hope so.

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[–] postfascion 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Just as the pope will never undermine the Catholic Church by informing the flock that it isn't needed, so politicians will never tell us the truth... That they aren't needed. The moment we wake up is the moment we become dependent on our own innate ability to be responsible for ourselves and our community. No sooner.

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[–] zzvoat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I hear you. Just want to say that, in part, Trump won because many were, for whatever reasons, simply able to see all that much earlier. At some point, none of them/us knew. We don't know what we don't know. And it's a process not an event. :o)

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[–] anonymousgate 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Trust me, I knew that she was bad. I know I'm going to get downvoated to hell for saying this but just because Trump isn't a cheater/murderer/blatant liar doesn't make him fit to be president. I'm glad Hillary didn't win because if she did, this whole investigation would be shut down so fast it would make your head spin. But that doesn't mean I'm excited for a Trump presidency. Trust me, I want him to do well, but my experience with people like him (I actually have some) is that everyone that works under them is less important, and that they'll do anything for profits, even if that means making shady deals and screwing the little guy. I hope I'm wrong, I really do.

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[–] B_dog 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

The Hastert - Podesta connection is useful to show the bipartisan horror of PG.

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[–] Millennial_Falcon [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Agreed!

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[–] LostandFound 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Agree 100% there's plenty of filth on both sides of this isle.

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[–] JoJoVoat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

http://data4justice.org/submit/ Create memes of some of the over 120 governement employees caught/convicted of child rape, porn etc... and their punishments....

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[–] JoJoVoat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

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[–] jonnythaiwongy9 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I think, while I agree this should not be political, it is at the moment. We need to get the millions who are turning a blind eye to this simply because they believe CNN when they say its a witch hunt, I think for now it is an excellent strategy to show that both sides are in on it, and maybe show as well how they've corrupted law enforcement, child services, charities etc. The Weiner/Hastaerts meme is excellent, I think that'll really make a dent.

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[–] NeedPolyGF 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Do TED Talks

Liberals like em. Let's recruit some of our members who are good speakers to do TED talks incorporating some of the ideas from the CBS woman ex-reporter who did a TED talk last year about how astroturfers use the media to get people to believe their lies. I was very surprised to hear her expose Snopes as a false medium too.

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[–] FR33D0M 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This sounds amazing. I've noticed how Snopes has become a disinfo outlet over the past couple years. Do you have a link to the TED talk?

EDIT: Think I found it. Is this it? Astroturf and manipulation of media messages | Sharyl Attkisson

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[–] NeedPolyGF 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yes, that's it. I have the link to the Voat thread that references it. It's https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1507529

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[–] mrjdouble 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Can anybody do a ted talk?

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[–] NeedPolyGF 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I guess it's not so easy. Looks like speakers have to be nominated. See https://speaker-nominations.ted.com

In that case just do a video and call it TED-like or something.

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[–] NeedPolyGF 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The MSM is dying anyway, so I think the internet social media are where the "fight" needs to take place.

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