[–] shewhomustbeobeyed 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

[–] Factfinder2 [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Thanks much.

[–] R34p_Th3_Wh0r1w1nd 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

RICO cases could be used to take down everything tearing the country apart, The DNC, AntiFA, MS13, Catholic church, Hollywood, ect, but the fix is in. The cops who are supposed to be upholding the law are the ones protecting and conspiring with these criminals.

[–] notdivided 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The catholic church has structured itself to protect against this very thing. Check the info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation_sole

[–] Factfinder2 [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Apparently the level of real protection ensured by corporation sole status is up for debate.

Corporation Sole Myths: http://hushmoney.org/corporation-sole_myths.htm Archive: https://archive.fo/EeYfv

[–] notdivided 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It just says you need good lawyers to pull it off. Pretty sure the catholic church and mormons are good to go on the lawyer$$ The article is just warning you cannot use corporation soles as a lay person (or ministry) and think it's going to offer you all these hardline protections without real legal representation.

[–] Lansing-Michigan 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This is short and to the point.....https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-blocking-property-persons-involved-serious-human-rights-abuse-corruption/

[–] DeathToMasonsASAP 3 points 1 points (+4|-3) ago 

Trump is a Jesuit, a Freemason and one of them. Stop with the disinfo. They are his superiors, he is not fighting them, he is pushing their agendas.

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[–] DerivaUK 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It bothers me that with the exception of Australia, there seems to be little mirroring of this en masse exposure in other countries than the Americas. Catholicism is international - nothing of this in the U.K. for example. But I hope those we know of in the US are all prosecuted under the E.O. Take their money, because it is disgracefully, the one thing they do actually value.

[–] noone222 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

All of the freaks wear "robes" and pretend to serve the public ... humanity needs a reality check. The most self-serving are the pontificating phonies dressed up like Halloween ghouls prancing around in courts never offering justice, or churches with a clearly dead Jesus hanging on a cross as they tell their congregation "He lives" ! The Catholic Church should be exiled to hell where it came from in the first place.

[–] HennyPenny 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

One of the prerequisites for a RICO charge is Effect on Interstate Commerce – This merely refers to anything that has any effect on commerce when that effect is not entirely limited to one state. Any economic activity of any substance normally meets the criteria.https://www.federalcharges.com/understanding-rico-conspiracy-charges/ Would that apply to a religious organization?

Seems like Trump's Executive Order re: Human Rights Abuse has a few loopholes: "notwithstanding any contract entered into … before the effective date of this order" US has already agreed to treat the Pope as a head of state with immunity against lawsuits. Unless they go after the bishops one by one. If the Catholic Church is held culpable as an institution and it's head is guaranteed immunity in prior contract with the US, I don't see how RICO or the EO would come into play.

"the prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section apply except to the extent provided by statutes, or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted before the effective date of this order.https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-blocking-property-persons-involved-serious-human-rights-abuse-corruption/

[–] Factfinder2 [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

There seems to me to be potential wiggle room in some of these areas for imaginative prosecutors and enforcers of the EO. For instance:

"RICO laws were successfully cited in NOW v. Scheidler, 510 U.S. 249, 114 S. Ct. 798, 127 L.Ed. 2d 99 (1994), a suit in which certain parties, including the National Organization for Women, sought damages and an injunction against pro-life activists who physically block access to abortion clinics. The Court held that a RICO enterprise does not need an economic motive and that the Pro-Life Action Network could therefore qualify as a RICO enterprise." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act#Pro-life_activists

I would argue, however, that shuffling priests around to different states DOES have an economic motive, namely, to preserve the perceived wholesomeness of the church and thus not endanger the flow of donations.

With regard to Trump's EO, I think the term "notwithstanding" is not a loophole but actually the prevention of a loophole, meaning that previous contracts will not prevent the execution of the order. https://definitions.uslegal.com/n/notwithstanding/

In 2010, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected the Vatican's plea of immunity: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican-lawyer-stresses-supreme-court-ruling-was-not-on-merit-of-case

"On Monday, the U.S. Supreme Court declined an immunity appeal by the Holy See in a case that attempts to sue the Vatican for transferring a priest accused of sexually abusing a minor several decades ago."

If there are any chances at all, even slim ones, to prosecute or sanction the church, I'm hoping they will be pursued.

[–] HennyPenny 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Thanks for the "notwithstanding" definition. Hope there's a remedy in law.

The 2010 US Supreme Court support was eroded by Presidential interdict , if I read it right:

In the Oregon case, the Obama administration backed the Vatican and said the appeals court erred in ruling that a victim’s claim of sexual abuse by a priest falls within the exception to foreign sovereign immunity law. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-abuse-usa/supreme-court-rejects-vatican-appeal-in-sex-abuse-case-idUSTRE65R3UB20100628

There's laws and then there's politics.

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