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[–] Are_we__sure 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

@srayzie So far, it still remains true that Clinton had no idea who Silsby was, Bill Clinton did not intervene and the Connection to Alefantis through Max Maccoby also remains false.

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[–] Andidog 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This is obvious dis information, all evidence points to direct state Department intervention at the highest level. We couldn’t even get state Department intervention for the detention of Laura Ling in DPRK at the same time. And she was taken from the Chinese side of the border into NK.

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[–] septimasexta 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

FROM THE ARCHIVES "Pizzagate Wiki vs. Robot Army: How a Reddit post about Laura Silsby and Max Maccoby broke the Internet 24 days ago

rebelskum64 in pedogate

Two days ago the Pizzagate Wiki experienced an unprecedented DDoS attack for several continuous hours. At the exact same time the Wiki was experiencing a massive surge in users being directed from a Reddit post on convicted child trafficker Laura Silsby. This makes the fourth major cyberattack against the Pizzagate Wiki following attacks on the original Pizzagate Review, the Wiki's DynCorp page and the Wiki's Stratfor page. In addition to these new users, a huge wave of bots came with them and proceeded to overwhelm the Pizzagate Wiki server, starting with the curiously named, "mj12bot". Apparently mj12bot is part of a United Kingdom search engine founded by Alex Chudnovsky whose mission for MJ12 is this: Since the task of building a World Wide Web search engine is so huge, we have chosen to make Majestic-12 Distributed Search Engine based on the concept of distributed computing. The idea being that many machines work on one task to get it done quicker than one large machine alone. Apparently this "distributed search engine" felt the need to assault my Franklin Scandal, Max Maccoby, Laura Silsby and other pages with thousands upon thousands of 0-byte requests from different IPs. MJ12bot was easy to spot, however, as it was listed and visible in the visitor's "User Agent", and was quickly blocked. In a matter of seconds, however, new bots arrived. Almost a hundred different "ocarinabots", "FAKE USER AGENTS" and various other bizarre User Agents were assaulting the Pizzagate Wiki with similar, 0-byte requests. Curiously enough, for many hours the only users able to connect to the Pizzagate Wiki were from Georgetown, FL. After playing virtual chess with a literal army of robots, I was able to stop the attacks for the time being and users from the Reddit thread were able to see the relevant information they needed for the most part. Why, however, was the link between Laura Silsby and Max Maccoby targeted this time around? For posterity, here is what is written in Max Maccoby's section for the Pizzagate Wiki on Laura Silsby's page, which was the epicenter of the attack: Connection to Max Maccoby and James Achilles Alefantis James Achilles Alefantis is friends with Michael Maccoby. Michael's son, Max Maccoby, is a Director of Friends of the Orphans, the charity Laura Silsby was given children from while in Haiti.(22), (23) , (24) This same Max Maccoby also represented James Achilles Alefantis and David Brock for an $850,000 blackmail case.(25) More details and in-depth analysis on the attack will be published in this week's Rebel Outpost, but I thought it worth mentioning here in case it were to escalate further and actually damage the Pizzagate Wiki. It is unlike any attack I have ever seen in my life, but is clearly from an advanced botnet."

https://steemit.com/pedogate/@rebelskum/pizzagate-wiki-vs-robot-army-how-a-reddit-post-about-laura-silsby-and-max-mccoby-broke-the-internet

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[–] Are_we_sure 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Cool story.

However, there is no connection between Maccoby and Silsby. This part is false

is a Director of Friends of the Orphans, the charity Laura Silsby was given children from while in Haiti

We know exactly where Silsby got the children from. The AP went and spoke to all the parents http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-ap-finds-all-baptist-groups-orphans-had-parents-2010feb21-story.html

So the Alefanti-Maccoby-Silsby connection is also false. It's based on a claim by the liar, conman, fake laywer and at-the-time child trafficking fugitive Jorge Puello who we know was lying about all sorts of things during this time. But when you go and look at what actually happened there's no way what he is saying could be true. Again we know EXACTLY where the children came from and we know EXACTLY where the Maccoby orphanage was located. They aren't even in the same towns.

A reporter's visit Saturday to the rubble-strewn Citron slum, where 13 of the children lived, led to their parents, all of whom said they turned their youngsters over to the missionary group voluntarily in hopes of getting them to safety.

Similar explanations were given by parents in the mountain town of Callabas, outside Port-au-Prince, who told the AP on Feb. 3 that desperation and blind faith led them to hand over 20 children to the Baptist group.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2122947 https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2153386/10615474

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[–] Andidog 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Wow. Thanks for the intel.

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[–] Are_we_sure 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This is obvious dis information, all evidence points to direct state Department intervention at the highest level.

This is straight up false.

We couldn’t even get state Department intervention for the detention of Laura Ling in DPRK at the same time. And she was taken from the Chinese side of the border into NK.

Yeah our embassy in North Korea, really dropped the ball on this one. Didn't they. Wait, what's that we have no embassy in North Korea! That seems pretty big. And Lisa Ling, can you tell us why we have no embassy in North Korea?

Ms. LISA LING: The U.S. and North Korea have no diplomatic relationship. So they only communicate through a third-party country in Sweden, or through the six-party talks or from a humanitarian mission that they have in New York. But other than that, communication is next to zero.

So Lisa Ling even if we had no diplomatic relations with North Korea did you get any help from the State Department?

Ms. LISA LING: Well, from the get go, Vice President Gore and members from the State Department who had been advising us had strongly suggested that we keep things very, very quiet. And that was very understandable because we didn't know exactly what happened to Laura and Euna.

So we were also fearing that the North Koreans might do something drastic. I mean, this is a highly, highly unpredictable regime. The story that Laura and Euna were covering was a very, very sensitive one. So before knowing anything, we just thought we should maintain silence.

But I just started to reach out to as many contacts as I could, and one of the people who is most closely associated with U.S.-North Korea relations, is Governor of New Mexico Bill Richardson. He, of all American - of any American -has had the most successes in negotiating the releases of previous American detainees in North Korea. So he was a natural, sort of, connection to make.

And he was incredibly helpful from the start, and told me that he would start making contacts with the State Department and his contacts in North Korea. And a couple of days into our conversations, he was actually approached by President Obama and Secretary Clinton, and asked to actually help on our behalf.

http://www.wbur.org/npr/126613763/story.php

There's no comparison between the two situations. And it doesn't matter whatsoever that the NK border guards chased her back over the river, she was being held in North Korea.

What actually happened

Not Hillary: State Department rebuffs call for Clinton intervention in Haiti case

February 9, 2010

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will not get directly involved in the case of the 10 Americans detained in Haiti on child abduction charges, a State Department spokesman said Tuesday.

"It would be highly unusual for the secretary of state to intervene in a case involving the judicial process of another country," spokesman P.J. Crowley said in an off-camera question-and-answer session. "We have had regular consular access and meetings with the 10 American citizens," Crowley said. "I believe we have facilitated getting medicine or other needs to our citizens. We are doing exactly what we would do with detained Americans anywhere in the world.

"As to intervening directly in the case, we are very respectful of the Haitian government and of Haitian law."

Not Bill

The State Department also has ruled out any special role for former President Bill Clinton in a possible release of the Americans.

"It is unnecessary for former President Bill Clinton to play the role of intermediary as he did in North Korea in the case of the journalists being held," Crowley told CNN on Monday. "The situation in North Korea and the situation in Haiti are dramatically different. In Haiti there is a functioning government with which we have diplomatic relations and established channels to monitor and deal with bilateral issues. North Korea is an opaque society with which we have no diplomatic relations."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/09/haiti.clinton.arrests/index.html

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[–] Andidog 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Fair points

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[–] 13279447? 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I never saw evidence that HRC knew who Silsby was prior to her arrest.

I did save this article though:

 

Hillary Violated State Department Policy to Get Convicted Child Trafficker Out of Haiti. Activist Found Dead.

Excerpts:

In a well-known criminal case in which an American woman from Idaho attempted to smuggle 33 Haitian children across the Haitian border into the Dominican Republic soon after the 2010 earthquake, then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton took extraordinary measures, including the deployment of former president Bill Clinton as a negotiator, to get the woman released and sent back to the states to freedom. Also released were 9 co-participants in the enterprise, who denied any in-depth knowledge of the plan.

It is highly unusual for a secretary of state to get personally involved in a case of arrested Americans abroad. Department policy is to not interfere with a host nation's legal proceedings. In 2010, that same year, there were more than 3,500 U.S. citizen arrests overseas, according to the Bureau of Consular Affairs.

The US State Department webpage devoted to information on the "Arrest or Detention of a U.S. Citizen Abroad" states that the department's mandate extends as far as:

-Provide a list of local attorneys who speak English

-Contact family, friends, or employers of the detained U.S. citizen with their written permission

-Visit the detained U.S. citizen regularly and provide reading materials and vitamin supplements, where appropriate

-Help ensure that prison officials are providing appropriate medical care for you

-Provide a general overview of the local criminal justice process

-Inform the detainee of local and U.S.-based resources to assist victims of crime that may be available to them

-If they would like, ensuring that prison officials are permitting visits with a member of the clergy of the religion of your choice

-Establish an OCS Trust so friends and family can transfer funds to imprisoned U.S. citizens, when permissible under prison regulations.

 

The department then makes clear that "We cannot":

-Get U.S. citizens out of jail overseas

-State to a court that anyone is guilty or innocent

-Provide legal advice or represent U.S. citizens in court overseas

-Serve as official interpreters or translators

-Pay legal, medical, or other fees for U.S. citizens overseas

Wikileaks emails from the Clinton email server show that Hillary Clinton, her assistant Huma Abedin, and others were following the case and concerned that the freed American citizens would be shielded from the media upon their arrival at an American airport after their negotiated release.... In a Wikileaks email from Clinton assistant Caitlin Klevorick to Hillary, Clinton aide Cheryl Mills, and to other State Department officials, dated February 17, 2010, Klevorick writes:

"CA has reached out to HHS who will be receiving the plane and they will help keep media away from the AmCits and facilitate entry. Once they arrive in Miami it is up to them to get to their destination."

Who "CA" stands for is not clear. "HHS" presumably means the Department of Health and Human Services. "Amcits" is American citizens.

Klevorick also comes to attention in the Clinton emails during the Haitian earthquake disaster for her instructions to "flag" various participants in the assistance efforts as "FOB," standing for "friends of Bill."

 


Archives:

Hillary Violated State Department Policy to Get Convicted Child Trafficker Out of Haiti. Activist Found Dead.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180713125720/https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/Hillary-Violated-State-Department-Policy-to-Get-Convicted-Child-Traffickers-Out-of-Haiti

Clinton's Intervention Could Free Missionaries From Haitian Jail, Dominion Post, February 8, 2010

https://kek.gg/i/dcBtM.png

Locked Up Abroad: What Americans Need to Know, Fox News Travel, 2011

http://archive.fo/ioPjm

Arrest or Detention of a U.S. Citizen Abroad, Travel.State.Gov

http://archive.fo/06MZy

Wikileaks Clinton emails 2772

http://archive.fo/av9hc

Wikileaks Clinton emails 3465

http://archive.fo/KSORQ

'FOBs': How Hillary's State Dept. Gave Special Attention to 'Friends of Bill' After Haiti Quake, ABC News, 2016

http://archive.fo/X1Dp6

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[–] Are_we_sure 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

State Department Policy

Kudos to you for posting what the State Department can and cannot do for Americans arrested overseas. This is big key to understanding what went on and is the answer to @DeathToMasonsASAP 's question below

Then why was Huma Abeden sending Hillary email updates of her plight

Providing Consular Services to arrested Americans is one of the highest priorities of the State Department. The page you reference spells this out clearly. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/emergencies/arrest-detention.html

Arrest or Detention of a U.S. Citizen Abroad

One of the highest priorities of the Department of State and U.S. embassies and consulates abroad is to provide assistance to U.S. citizens incarcerated abroad. The Department of State is committed to ensuring fair and humane treatment for U.S. citizens imprisoned overseas. We stand ready to assist incarcerated citizens and their families within the limits of our authority in accordance with international, domestic, and foreign law.

Why Hillary Clinton did not violate State Department Policy

The reason she didn't violate State Department policy is Bill Clinton was not used as a negotiator. (Also I would guess something like that would be a president's decision not just a Secretary of State's, but I don't know.)

The article includes support for its claim including this link: then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton took extraordinary measures, including the deployment of former president Bill Clinton as a negotiator

This takes us to a New Zealand newspaper. https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/the-dominion-post/20100208/281882999485525

This a reprint of an article I mention in my VOAT threads and in comments here. It's from the UK Times https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/clinton-brokers-deal-over-haiti-orphan-abductions-v63ld395r7b

A DIPLOMATIC deal over the 10 American missionaries jailed in Haiti on child abduction charges may lead to the release this week of all except the group's leader, Laura Silsby, according to legal sources in Port-au-Prince

The intervention of Bill Clinton, the former president, who is co-ordinating relief efforts in Haiti, may accelerate the resolution of an affair that has embarrassed the US government, dismayed relief agencies and angered many Haitians.

Here's the thing with the article. It's the only news outlet in the world that made this claim. And it never made the claim again. It dropped the claim a week later when talking about Bill Clinton. I think they simply reported a rumor that their source heard and that rumor turned out to be true. The rumor being based on few things.

Bill Clinton turned up in Haiti....(He was actually working with the UN. He had been the Special Envoy to Haiti since 2009 and after the earthquake the UN asked him "to assume a leadership role in coordinating international aid efforts."

Most of the Baptists were about to get out of jail.....but not Silsby. This is because the Haitian authorities felt that Silsby was clearly behind all these and the other Baptists pretty much followed along when she said she had things taken care of.

I'll quote all my reasons why I think this article just got it wrong.

The original news report is wrong and here's why I believe that.

It's based on a single report in the UK press https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/clinton-brokers-deal-over-haiti-orphan-abductions-v63ld395r7b

No other news reports have this. The UK press didn't claim this is a secret effort on behalf of Bill Clinton. An actual diplomatic intervention would have been reported by multiple sites if it actually happened. Haitian newspapers would have been all over this. The international press would be all over this.

The paper that reported it never followed up on it at all. So the original report had no confirmation and zero follow through. They even did a story on Bill Clinton like a week later.

The Clinton quotes they used were reported by other outlets 2 days before. Clinton openly spoke to reporters about what the US and Haitian governments should do. He never claimed anything first hand or that he was working on a deal and not a single other source claimed he was intervening in any way. In fact, in CNN's report on it, Bill Clinton doesn't even appear until 22 paragraphs in. >http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/05/haiti.arrests/index.html

There was no press conference about having a reached a deal. Again this was not reported to be a secret deal.

Bill Clinton left Haiti and all the Baptists were still in jail.

The Obama adminstration and the State Department were being criticized in the conservative press and by Baptist leaders FOR NOT INTERVENING. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/08/free-the-baptist-10-in-haiti/

Even with this the State Department went out of its way to say it was not intervening and Secretary Clinton would not be getting involved at all.

At the time, no other media even did a story following up on the The Times's report. This happens all the time when papers confirm another a paper's reporting. They do not do a followup story when their sources cannot confirm this. And reporters from around the world were on this story for months.

Nothing in the 7 plus years since the Haitian earthquake suggests this was true and the Clintons, of course came under intense scrutiny during this time. Haiti's AP reporter who worked this story stayed in Haiti for years writing a book and never said anything on this.

In short, there's nothing at all to suggest the Times got their story right. And there's a lot to suggest they got their story wrong, including the fact that they never even followed up on their story.

Evidence in Wikileaks emails doesn't add up to much

Wikileaks emails from the Clinton email server show that Hillary Clinton, her assistant Huma Abedin, and others were following the case

Yup. This is all part of consular services for Americans. It went to the level of the Secretary of this was an International World Wide News Event that affected how the world viewed America. None of this, zero, is because Hillary Clinton had a person interest in Laura Silsby. All of it is because these Baptists from Idaho were American citizens.

(They were) concerned that the freed American citizens would be shielded from the media upon their arrival at an American airport after their negotiated release

Yes, they definitely were concerned.

No, their release was not negotiated. These were release by order of a judge. That is mentioned in the same email you cite.

From AFP: Judge Bernard Saint-vil, who is handling the case, allowed them to leave the country without bail, according to their lawyer Aviol Fleurant. But Saint-vil wants to question two other missionaries -- group leader Laura Silsby and her confidante Charisa Coulter -- "because they were in Haiti before the earthquake," Fleurant added.

The email thread also make clear that rather that knowing about a negotiated release, Cheryl Mills doesn't even know who is still in jail with Silsby.

Who besides laura is being held back? ......What is purported role of this other individ such that he/she was not released?

To answer this question, they quote the AFP news report, I just quoted. This was not a negotiated release. This is the State Department still trying find out basic facts and having to go outside the Department to get them.

Who "CA" stands for is not clear. "HHS" presumably means the Department of Health and Human Services

CA is Consular Affairs

Consular Affairs (CA) is the public face of the Department of State for millions of people around the world. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/about-us.html

I think you are right on HHS. They flew out of Haiti on C-130 cargo plane. They probably grabbed the first US flight they could and HHS was probably doing flights of medical supplies to Haiti. Note also, rather than special treatment, once they were back in the US, it was up to them to get back to Idaho.

Not sure why you cite Wikileaks Clinton emails 2772. This supports my point. That email is from months later when Laura Silsby faced trial in a Haitian courtroom. She was not freed by Bill Clinton.

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[–] 13287229? 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Excellent, thank you.

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[–] DeathToMasonsASAP 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Then why was Huma Abeden sending Hillary email updates of her plight, and why did the Clintons get her free?

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[–] twistedmac11 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I think it's safe to say that both of the Clintons knew who Laura Silsby was. I also think it's safe to say that Silsby knew what she was doing was wrong.

There's a docu-series on Netflix called The Traffickers, where an investigative journalist tries to get to the root of certain international trafficking industries. One of those is child trafficking in international adoption. The Silsby case seems parallel to some of the things touched on in that particular episode. Many of the kids weren't actually orphans, and their parents had been told they would see their children again. Many parents in these situations are desperate for their children to have better opportunities. Someone comes by and says they can get their child to America (a paradise, to them) and get them a better education, etc. and these parents think they are doing their children a favor, and that they will see their child again in a few years. They're not being told they're giving up their rights to their child permanently.

I think Silsby was looking to make a quick buck by taking advantage of poor Haitians. Whether or not the Clintons were involved in this, I'm unsure of. I don't know that there's anything proving they were in cahoots with Silsby prior to her going to Haiti. I also don't know if Bill Clinton really interfered on Silsby's behalf, or if her lowered charges were decided upon by the Haitian government. I do believe that the Clintons wanted to make money off of the earthquake, but I don't know that their plans involved Silsby.

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[–] Are_we__sure 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago  (edited ago)

I think it's safe to say that both of the Clintons knew who Laura Silsby was.

The pizzagate claim is that Clintons knew who Laura Silsby was BEFORE she was arrested and became one of the biggest news stories on the planet. They certainly saw her on the news after she caused an international incident. The pizzagate argument is Clinton only became involved because she was personally involved with Silsby. I have shown this is false.

Many of the kids weren't actually orphans,

All of the children were not orphans in Silsby's case.

I also don't know if Bill Clinton really interfered on Silsby's behalf, or if her lowered charges were decided upon by the Haitian government.

There's no real evidence Bill Clinton ever intervened. He went to Haiti as a representative of the UN. That claim was made by a single media source using a single anonymous source, the Time of London, I believe. The Times of London soon dropped the claim in subsequent reports.

I think the weight of the evidence is that the UK Times was wrong that they printed a rumor their source told them. They never made this claim again. No other media at the time or since has said anything. No Haitian media ever claimed this. In fact, the same quotes from Bill Clinton that the UK Times used appeared in other media outlets at that time that were saying he was not there to intervene. The State Department not only rejected the idea of special envoy they rejected calls from Americans including several prominent Baptist leaders to have Hillary Clinton speak directly with Haiti.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/09/haiti.clinton.arrests/index.html

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will not get directly involved in the case of the 10 Americans detained in Haiti on child abduction charges, a State Department spokesman said Tuesday.

"It would be highly unusual for the secretary of state to intervene in a case involving the judicial process of another country," spokesman P.J. Crowley said in an off-camera question-and-answer session.

At the time the Obama administration was being criticized by Baptist leaders and some conservative commentators for NOT intervening. Bill Clinton returned to the US Silsby sat in jail for several months awaiting her trial. Her trial did not take place until months later. The Haitian courts were the ones who decided her sentence. The President or Prime Minister of Haiti wanted a long sentence for her, but the investigating prosecutor, dropped it down. I suspect the kidnapping charge was dropped when they found out the parents gave their permission to Silsby to put their kids on the bus.

I do believe that the Clintons wanted to make money off of the earthquake

Any evidence for this claim?

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[–] twistedmac11 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

I agree with you on the idea that there is no real proof to show that the Clintons knew Silsby prior to her going to Haiti. The Wikileaks emails released as "proof" appeared to me to have taken place after the fact, not before. The State Department knows when US citizens are arrested abroad, so it's obvious Hillary to have been alerted to this as she was Secretary of State at the time.

You are correct, none of the children were orphans. I wasn't sure of the exact number when I first commented, but I knew that at least most of them did in fact have parents. It's sad to think of how many parents were taken advantage of when they were simply so desperate to give their children better lives.

I also agree that there is no evidence that Bill Clinton intervened on her behalf. The original source that I saw for this was a paper in a Harvard Human rights journal entitled "Owning Laura Silsby's Shame". The author of this paper came to the conclusion that Clinton had intervened, which was of course jumped on by people on Reddit/Voat, but I never was able to trace that claim back to a reliable source. I attempted to contact the author of the paper to clarify but never received a response. On the other hand, we don't know for a fact that Clinton DIDN'T interfere; he was in Haiti at the time, and he was vocal about not agreeing with the Haitian government holding the "missionaries" in jail. I think confirmation bias can play a part on either side of this scenario.

 

Any evidence for this claim?

The Clinton Foundation’s $20 million off-the-books mystery

Haitian-Born Writer Dady Chery on the IHRC and The Clinton Foundation: "Return Haiti's Earthquake Billions"

What the Clintons did to Haiti

How the Clinton Foundation Got Rich off Poor Haitians

I, Hillary Rodham Clinton: Haiti’s Pay-to-Play IHRC

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[–] Wrathfullyawakenedww 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Define “ idea” ?

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[–] darkknight111 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Did you ping @CheeseBoogersGhost that stuff about AWS being a jew? Cant wait for the ensuing lulz.

That radar pic he sent one day was pretty dam funny.

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[–] srayzie [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Did I Cheeseboogersghost about being a Jew or do you mean ping him to tell him about Are_we_sure?

Omg I’ve pinged the hell out of Cheeseboogersghost. Me and @Shizy destroyed that punk! 😂 I’ve left him alone for a couple of weeks because he took my advice when I said that I would leave him alone if he left me alone.

I made this of Cheeseboogersghost and he would go ballistic when I would post it! That’s what he gets for calling me a Jewess. 🤣

Are_we_sure practically admitted he’s a Jew. He also thinks we should trust him over Q, so I made something for him too. Hmmm, should I believe the resident shill Are_we_sure or Q?

They aren’t very thrilled with me! LOL

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[–] auralsects 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

You love Jews you dumb cunt. Even said you were glad you didn't believe me about them because you let one babysit your kids or some shit. Keep believing in a Savior like Trump/Q and proving that women are too naive to be allowed any decisions. We are SO CLOSE to taking your "rights" away. =)

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[–] Are_we_sure 5 points -3 points (+2|-5) ago  (edited ago)

Specifically I'm saying the claim that Hillary knew how Laura Silsby was before she was arrested is false.

Here's previous threads I did on this. If you are trying to prove me wrong. Go to the original sources and do not use Pleadding the YIFF or Williams Craddick's posts as evidence as I shows that his claim is false and I use the original sources to show that he must have known his claims were false. He claimed that Clinton had been following Silsby since 2001. I believe he knowingly lied on this point.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2058303

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2122876

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[–] srayzie [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I’m not trying to prove you wrong. I just know you are extremely biased and a shill. You seem to always have an excuse for these sick fucks. What is your opinion of Hillary??