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Policy on linking dangerous research
1: Relevance: Posts must be directly relevant to investigation of Pizzagate: the sexual/physical abuse and/or murder of children by elites, child trafficking organized by elites, and/or cover-up of these activities and/or the protection/assistance provided to the people who engage in said activities. See definition of Pizzagate and examples of relevant posts.
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[–] kestrel9 [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Wait a second...Was Walter Breen knowingly or unknowingly part of MKULTRA??? (or subprojects thereof?)
That is a yes answer to the question, and I was posting about it in a new submission but lost it, it's a huge red pill. Need to regroup (before trying to post that again!) aaaarrgh! lol
[–] think- 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
This sounds like CIA sponsored MK Ultra research, as you suggested, @kestrel9.
Edit: Since he was a pedo => 'knowingly part of'
[–] kestrel9 [S] ago
Researching child rape under a variety of conditions, how could they not?
[–] pizza-party-pooper-2 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
@kestrel9, Isn't that interesting how they did the experiments on gifted children: Doesn't Crowley specify intelligent boys are the best sacrifices?
[–] kestrel9 [S] ago
I don't know the what Crowley MI6 freak of nature said but no doubt the intelligence communities are always interested in gifted people. http://archive.is/1EhTl
[–] carmencita 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
This makes me sick. It is bad enough that the father is abusing his own daughter, but the Birth Mother? Birth Mother means she was carrying this little baby inside her belly for 9 months. Most women have a special connection since they give Birth to a child. I can't even imagine how horrid a child feels when there are such horrible things done by their own Mother. And Father. Why does it seem there are more women lately being reported as abusers. Is it just starting to come out now, or is this really getting worse among women. I hope to God not. We do not need more abusers, men or women.
[–] lamplight 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Has anyone here read: A Boy Called It by David Pelzer? The boys mother is evil and tortures her son. Maybe abuse by mothers has been hidden in the past and is now coming out more. I sure hope we never become conditioned to ignore cases like this. But beyond reporting abuse to authorities, proper handling of perps isn't always being done. It is so frustrating!!!!!!!
[–] think- 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Yes, that's what I think. Society tends to glorify all mothers, and while many women are excellent mothers, some really aren't.
[–] carmencita 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
The information I have been reading lately, about abusive women, and especially mothers it really scares me. I find it shocking actually that this has not come out before. Although the news is not so good, I am glad it is coming to light. No I have not read this account of the boy's mother. Another sad case.
[–] pizza-party-pooper-2 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I think it's both: people are starting to come out more and say it, AND MK Ultra is creating more female abusers. Just a thought.
[–] carmencita 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Yes, MK Ultra but all of the pedos are abusing more and more boys and girls thus creating more abusers on both sides. I think that is their mission. So yes, I agree.
[–] think- ago (edited ago)
I think that victims were even more ashamed to tell about abuse that they had to suffer from their mothers/other women, and also that people don't believe that women abuse children. About 10-15% of perps are women though.
[–] carmencita 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Well, I knew they were abusers, but not So Many. I think you are right. Dads are so very important in our lives, but we all just expect our Mothers to love us, well, just because. They are our Moms. Yes, it would be shameful for a child. When both your Mother and Father are abusing the child it can leave horrid scars, imo.
[–] kestrel9 [S] ago
She thought it her duty to commit incest (and she was furious her daughter did not want to be an enlightened gay person apparently).
[–] carmencita 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I have only finished a little of it. I have to look at all the links. This woman should never have had a child. Projecting your wants on a child is really sick.
[–] Earthbalance2 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I guess I'm glad I've never read Bradley's books. If Stephen R Donaldson is ever proven a pedophile, I may start burning books though...
[–] think- 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I am quite shocked. Marion Zimmer Bradley is a household name for fantasy novels. Her books were international bestsellers (haven't read any of them, though).
[–] kestrel9 [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
She was worse than the father, both in regards to the sexual abuse and mental abuse. She was extremely cruel and callous.
[–] think- [M] ago
Hi @kestrel9, very interesting post, thank you! :-)
Would you please be so kind and give a summary of your first link at the top of your post in three or four sentences? That would be great, thanks! Just to give people a short intro what the post is about.
I'll flair the post with 'Edit Warning', you'll have 24 hours to add the paragraph. Please ping me or another mod when you will have edited. Thank you.
(If you shouldn't edit within 24 hours, we will unfortunately have to remove the post.)
[–] kestrel9 [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
no problem, thanks for the reminder :)
[–] think- [M] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Thank you, that was quick! :-) I will remove the flair now.
[–] think- [M] ago
;-)